Hi Guys (no gender is inferred in this greeting!),
With Monzo celebrating pride with logo changes etc and the excellent piece written in teams by Brad Corrigan - can we FINALLY get a rainbow card please?
I suggested it as an option for Monzo plus, which was well received, how about giving us our rainbow please
I canât see the benefit outweighing the cost, particularly now. Voting isnât going to change that.
Card stock isnât cheap in quantity and while this could be a âpaid forâ item, I fear it wonât shift in sufficient quantity to cover the up front costs.
Maybe in future years once profitability has been achieved.
Revolut ones was a partnership with IGLA Europe and coincided with the launch of donation feature. The intention was to sign up for the donate roundups to charity or something like that.
I have one of those revolut cards, but not sure if it will be possible to renew them.
New card design is always a nice thought but Iâm still not gonna vote for it whilst the Monzo team have better things to spend their time and money on, sorry (not sorry).
Also rather than using the word âguysâ (then apologising for it in brackets) maybe just use a different word?
I take some issue with this, especially where you call it easy. It stems from my experience with autism. For me, remembering that please and thank you matter for instance is already a taxing enough task for my brain, and I can sometimes still forget, only to have eventually processed it 5 minutes later and feel all embarrassed and even more anxious. These kind of gender inclusive requests to alter the language we use take this to another level, and for me, I would have to retrain myself to forget some social cues Iâve spent years trying to learn and start over with these new ones. I donât think itâs necessarily easy for neurotypicals either, as it forces them to have to process stuff in that same conscious way, at least initially.
I personally donât understand why people take issue or offence with words that in modern society have never been intended to be used in derogatory ways. Iâd be curious to learn from those people who do, why they do, so I can better understand it from their perspective, because it just makes no sense to me.
Iâll end my input on that there, as itâs something I could discuss at much greater depth, but this isnât the topic for that.
âHey guysâ - Maybe innocent, not really thinking, no offence meant.
âHey guys (sorry to those who are not guys)â means youâre already thinking about it to start with and the fact you are, means itâs an easy change.
I wasnât taking issues nor offence. And I know that remembering these things is additional tasks for our brains but a lot of that thinking (itâs hard!) is surely from a place of privilege. Of course those who are already under additional cognitive load - the autistic as you mention as one example - will struggle. I get that too.
So I shouldnât have said it was âeasyâ. But, on the flip side as @Revels points out the OP clearly was aware of their choice of words as they called themselves on it, so for the OP it should be an easy change.
And @Eclat01 Iâm sure you meant it humorously and I really wasnât meaning to make it a big deal but, again the flip side of that is the âitâs just a word/banter/jokeâ is used far too often by the unaware (not saying you are unaware!).
I wouldnât be so sure about that. Itâs a very very subtle way of confirming bias, the use of language, just as itâs then as easy to laugh off as âjust a phraseâ. A young girl growing up hearing âguysâ all the times is gently reminded that sheâs not REALLY part of the group, she should be LUCKY sheâs there at all, right? Cos this is about âguysâ⊠sorry, total bugbear this one, but language is so so tricky and not paid enough attention to.
And yes, Iâve said these things myself.
BTW - gender inclusive requests are as simple as referring to âtheyâ or âthemâ. âOhh theyâve forgotten their sunglassesâ. Might be easier to refer to everyone that way rather than guess?
This is something I always consciously try to do, especially when Iâm unsure of someoneâs gender. It can be hard work for my brain to keep up sometimes though, and Iâll often end up using he/she without even thinking, and I would hope that people wouldnât be so quick to feel offended at that.
Language is tricky and weâre always going to interpret different words differently to other people for a variety of reasons. And cognitive conditioning can be a very difficult thing to correct for. I personally donât take offence at words others use towards me, unless itâs an obvious derogatory attack, and my hope is people afford me the same courtesy. I always try to assume ignorance or innocence before malice. I personally think thatâs a healthier way of dealing the issue, though itâs hard to know if my thinking here comes from a place of privilege or perspective.
Itâs interesting and illuminating to read other peopleâs thoughts on this though, and I appreciate people here sharing them respectfully. I fully sympathise with the point of itâs just a word/banter/joke used as an excuse for issues like this though, but as you say, this is such a tricky issue; where do you draw the lines, when does it go too far (in either direction), and when is benefit of the doubt appropriate?
Then, to be blunt, she will struggle with life. âGuysâ is well accepted as gender neutral in 2020 despite what people who are paid high salaries to tell us otherwise think. In fact it is those people who tell her that it is NOT gender neutral who plant the seed of doubt in her mind and start the problem! IMO.