PayPoint Shops don’t know how to process cash deposits


(Patrick) #22

When I used to go up to London reasonably regularly, I’d (try to) pay the congestion charge in advance, before leaving town (I lived in Bournemouth at the time).

It was ridiculous. A lot of shops would say, ‘but we’re not in London, you can’t do that here’ - yes you can.
Some would just outright refuse and say they don’t do it without checking or looking at their pay point machine at all.
Others would try figure it out but then give up and say that they don’t provide that service - yes you do.
Eventually I found one shop that let me actually look at their pay point machine. I figured it out in seconds, it was very easy and pretty hard to cock up.

I imagine they’ve changed now - but the terminal had a one line LCD display, up, down, left, right keys and a keyboard. All you did was press up or down to scroll through all the companies and services until you got to ‘London Congestion Charge’, selected it, then it said, ‘enter vehicle reg’, you used the keyboard to enter the car reg and pressed enter, that was pretty much it.

After I’d shown them how to do it, I had to go to that particular shop every time - because I knew that they were the only ones who would actually let me pay the charge there.

I don’t understand how they can’t do it, or why they need extra training. It’s kind of pathetic.


#23

It’s not really hard to understand. It’s paypoint. They’re not exactly a centre of excellence in their industry. Do they provide training for free to the shops? Do they mandate it? Do they really enforce any rules? Paypoint is a quick way of getting people in your shop to pay bills. They’re not going to know about new or obscure features and probably don’t care.


#24

Tried to deposit cash. Cashier said he is not sure… I asked him to swipe a card. That’s it. Deposited without any problems :champagne:


(Stephen Robinson) #25

Well first store I tried with a PayPoint said they don’t do it. I said all PayPoint machines do it and got the response “we don’t”. I can imagine I’ll get this response regularly so for now I’ll just be using Starling in the Post Office and transferring it to my Monzo. Not Monzo’s fault of course, PayPoint staff are often just regular staff who haven’t been trained in anything but regular bill payments. Sigh.


(Tom) #26

I’m sure Monzo would be interested in knowing details of the store, so they can feed back to PayPoint. @simonb ?


(Simon B) #27

Yes - please let us know and we’ll feed it back :grinning:


(Gavin) #29

I have had the same problem today trying to put money in my account at a paypoint


#30

I walk into shop and say “I need to top-up my paypoint bill card” just remind them to swipe not insert, once they’ve done that the POS UI prompts them what to do. Second you mention bank card they panic thinking it’s different. Works for me anyway.


#31

It’s pretty poor you have to do that though


(Josh Lindl) #32

I had the same experience.


#33

I work in a shop that uses Paypoint and the main reason for people being so reluctant to put through things they aren’t familiar with is because Paypoint transactions normally can’t be refunded so if the cashier messes something up (which is easy to do) it’s most likely going to be them who will be eating the cost.

Modern day Paypoint machines are just tablets with a Paypoint app running although the software is needlessly complicated IMO, half of the options and buttons on screen aren’t ever used and often don’t make sense. It is very easy to just choose the wrong option and put through a payment that wasn’t intended.

The shop I work in also makes very little money, if any, from Paypoint and it’s just there as a sort of service for the surrounding area rather than something ran for profit.

That’s just my point of view from a shop in a rural-ish area, things are probably different in other more metropolitan areas I’d imagine.


#34

Good points. It makes me hope they reconsider their options in the future, the cheap option really shows its face. It’s cheap for a reason.


#35

IMO, I think there’s space for someone to build a simple cash deposit system from scratch with the same reach as paypoint, but without the crap.


(Allie) #36

It’s like trying to pay by contactless in the US, where you have to tell them ‘yes, your machine takes it, you have to let me tap. No, I won’t just hand you my card, I’m using my phone and that’s that, or I’m not buying anything’. Even then, some shops would rather lose a sale than allow someone to pay contactless.

Same type of thing… many shop staff are extremely afraid of change or anything that looks at all unfamiliar to them, including many managers. I know one Subway in the US where the franchise owner hid the PIN pads behind the counter (took them off the mounts) to prevent people paying by contactless. Was outright told by staff the reason was the franchise owner found out about it and wanted to make sure people couldn’t use it.

The moral of the story? Without widespread use, no matter what technologies shops support in theory, actual use can be very, very different due to staff actively preventing you from buying things/services/etc. Do not expect this to ever get better with regards to PayPoint. Cynical? Perhaps. But I just can’t fathom the types of shops that have PayPoint machines ever being totally on board with depositing cash for people.


#37

I’ve just had the same issue from 3 places that displayed the PayPoint logo. First was in a One Stop where my payment was declined twice, second the cashier just said no straight away, and third was in a garage that has a PayPoint machine and wouldn’t work there either. I’ve paid in a PayPoint by my house buts its a little inconvenient, especially when you have bills due to come out.


#38

I agree with you here.

I wrote a brief piece on my experience using my Starling card at a Post Office this week.

Tl:dr…

I initially called up - They had zero idea what “a Starling” is… But I was welcome to come in and try.

Despite the PO staff (which is in a village pharmacy I may add), having zero idea what was going on, the process was so simple, and it worked without any fuss what so ever.

People’s experience will undoubtedly vary depending on their PO or PayPoint location, but my gut feeling is that the Post Office will be a little more helpful - Even if they have no idea what Monzo (or Starling) is.

No need to swipe the card either (which still seems very old fashioned) - It was a simple “insert card into machine and hit enter” job…


(Allie) #39

Swiping is fine for this. No one is going to clone a card to put money ON it. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if the post office isn’t running an EMV transaction either. I don’t know. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were just reading the account number from the chip with no authentication of the data.


#40

I know it’s fine from a security aspect, but I’d hazard a guess there are many Monzo customers who have probably never had a debit card “swiped” before.

It just adds to the peculiarity of it, especially if the cashier isn’t familiar with the process.

Hopefully it all works itself out over the next few years, as the PP of PO solutions are great.


#41

I’m a fairly cynical person in general but thought i’d give my opinion here.

I know this process is done via PayPoint and so has relatively little to do with Monzo but when issues arise as people have mentioned, it makes me think badly of PayPoint and also Monzo because they’re endorsing the system and process PayPoint are using to deposit cash into our Monzo accounts.

I’m sure this is mostly all teething problems and Monzo will report issues to PayPoint and eventually these issues will stop but really when this goes wrong, in my opinion it reflects badly on PayPoint and Monzo.

I don’t personally like the idea of using PayPoint anyway and so am unlikely to ever deposit cash into my account (probably what Monzo prefers) but can see how this process needs to be smoother for those who do still rely on cash.

Would this process be easier if Monzo had used the post office? It might be, we don’t really know (I would assume it would be based on the assumption the post office training is better than paypoints). Hopefully PayPoint can iron out these small issues with Monzo’s help


(Max Darby) #42

I just did this literally 5 mins ago at a Co-op. The lady said no, I asked her to try, she put it into the paypoint machine and said it doesn’t work, I then asked her to swipe it on the till and hey ho, it works. Got a notification to say cash will be there in 10 mins :slight_smile:

Seems like a staff training issue rather than a monzo issue!