Was unsure whether I’d be supported and annoyingly the health check app says not.
I guess it’s TPM, so will have a better look into it as we get closer to release, and maybe I can enable in bios and get around it.
Not TPM, it’s my fucking sixth gen intel! What a joke…
Definitely not impressed given my laptop is old but not ancient - dell XPS from 4/5 years ago.
I am looking to replace semi-soon (but that could still be a year or so away) as the battery life has been a piece of shit for years now. Feel like I bought at such a bad time - the difference in battery life and performance of stuff barely 18 months newer is staggering.
My current Lenovo Carbon X1 Nano has TPM and does meet the Win11 minimum requirements (it’s only a few months old) - but when I run the MS Test it picks up that I’m running Win 10 Pro and so drops out with a message “Your organisation manages updates on this PC, For info about getting Windows 11, contact your IT admin.”
I had the same with my Dell, had to enable it in the bios, it seems that especially with consumer (home) but also in business models the TPM is disabled in bios.
TPM 2.0 has been a requirement for OEMs since 2016 and 1.2 since 2008 so there should be plenty of compatibility but this info has not been clear at all.
2.0 is the soft requirement and 1.2 the hard one, with 1.2 certain security features won’t work, the only confirmation that we got was that windows hello won’t work, but there’s potentially others to be announced.
TPM2.0 is also no longer a physical chip, but processor functionality. It might be disabled in BIOS for consumer device, but enabling Intel PPT, or AMD F-secure/fTPM in bios fixes that.
There’s some clarity needed regarding CPU hard requirements , but it sounds like the compatibility list that MS released will be a soft requirement and not hard.
Support for windows 10 is until 2025 that should avoid most of the e-waste but knowing Microsoft and windows 7 they’ll still release some critical updates even after 2025.
Is your user on the laptop a M365 business or enterprise account? That’s probably what’s causing it.
Or some privacy setting is causing it from my experience.
Windows for business is a set of management and security products for windows desktop in short, some extra management features for windows updates and policies, part of some M365 plans.
Microsoft are taking a risk increasing the baseline for windows 11 that much.
Business don’t upgrade hardware the way end users do… we’ve still got clients running hardware that barely runs windows 10, on 800x600 monitors, with GPUs that ‘support’ 3d graphics in that you can get opengl 1.2 drivers made in 2001.
Their salesmen are going to want the ‘new shiny’ and get pissy when their ‘new’ laptops (that were discontinued 5 years ago and for which no new drivers exist - yes this happens, a lot…) won’t run it.
The 2.0 is for certain features like windows hello, that’s what we were told in work from the windows team and not a hard limit to install windows 11.
You can install it on a 1.2 and older CPUs than what’s on the list and there’s a warning that not all security features are enabled.
It’s still early days and things will change, I think they’ll cave in to the e-waste argument.
I was also told by a Microsoft MVP that the CPU list isn’t going to be a hard limit.
It’s still months until general release so we will see, and 10 still has years of support left, it works in the android and apple world leaving older hardware without updates, in 2025 the oldest supported CPU will be 7+ years old , that’s a pretty good lifespan compared to other platforms.
Interestingly I turned on my 8th Gen Intel onboard TPM to install Windows 11, which worked. It messed up my Hackintosh so I turned it off and Windows 11 still worked (just asked for a new password for my user account which I did via a password reset).
It is possible to install a new version of macOS on an unsupported Mac until it gives up but after a few generations it is awful and you may as well give up. All you really need to get a new bootloader to allow the installation to start, as well as find driver kexts to get certain things to work. That is why the Macs become unsupported. macOS is generally streamlined (legacy drivers removed for thinks like wifi/bluetooth/GPUs (if they had a dedicated one)/power management for certain chips etc) and optimised for newer CPUs.
My mid-2012 Macbook Pro battled all the way through to Big Sur but my gosh it has now flatlined with Monterey. I hope its just because its in beta but I doubt it. My 2009 Macbook Pro cant handle anything recent with a custom bootloader.
I don’t honestly see how that’s a disadvantage. Apple just offers a very small range of computers and all of them are premium. If you buy a premium Windows PC it will also run Windows 11.
I think the thing is if you are an experienced user you can choose to install, knowing the risks and probably knowing how to roll back, and if you aren’t experienced or knowledgeable about OSs then you’ll just follow the defaults and everything will keep working. Seems like the best of both worlds.
Well mostly because it’s a known thing, or a perceived thing, that Apple computers just run the OS they have installed well.
I’ve certainly had experience of, I think it was Vista (?) on a laptop I bought that couldn’t run it at all, was slow and cumbersome and I think they eventually release a Lite version for those cheaper laptops.
I changed to Mac and have never looked back.
Granted things might have changed since but it left an impression on me, and personally I’ve never heard someone say a MacBook can’t run an OS properly but I’ve heard many people many times complain about Windows not running well on a laptop.
We may have to agree to disagree but I stand by my sentiment that just because an OS can be installed on a computer, does not make it better or that it should be installed on a computer.
Well again, Mac just don’t sell cheap laptops. Had you of bought a premium one it probably would have worked better
I’m not saying Windows 11 should be installed everywhere, I just don’t see how the existence of cheaper hardware options is a disadvantage when you don’t actually have to install Windows 11 on them.
I don’t see how that is an advantage though? If a laptop cannot run the OS it has it should not be sold, in my humble opinion.
Apple making a decision to not sell computers that don’t run their system isn’t a negative, it’s a positive to me. I know that if I purchase an Apple product, the OS will run, regardless. It doesn’t cross my mind.
Even older, let’s say second hand MacBooks wouldn’t broadly be an issue. If it can install an OS then it will run that OS. If it cannot run that OS then you won’t be able to install it.
The same cannot be said of Windows. A premium laptop in its day might have ran Windows XP brilliantly but if it’s being sold later with Vista or Windows 10 it might be installed but not work well at all.
I think a major point here is that a lot of the incompatibility for Win 11 stems from them not supporting TMP, rather than the actual performance of the computers being inadequate.
These are perfectly fine computers, which won’t have any trouble running Win 11, especially if they’re already on 10.
Many people find the existence of £200 consumer laptops an advantage though.