Brexit Chat

That’s more than fair enough, dude. I will admit that I couldn’t help but feel a bit sceptical of Channel 4’s recent polling on the ol’ Brexit issue, but that’s not to say that there isn’t really valid stuff out there.

I’m not actually convinced the vote would remain the same (although I’m not claiming that you stated this). My intention more than anything was to promote a bit of caution regarding the will of the people, because the people can be a surprising bunch at the best of times :sweat_smile:

And honestly I’m not a staunch Brexiteer (my internal polling on most of these things is always 51-49) to the point where another referendum doesn’t sit well with me. If it’s decided that another referendum is the way to go, then I honestly won’t mind that and what will be will be. That being said, no disrespect intended but the way you’ve put it there at the end (“no fear in holding another vote”) is a bit of a playground way of approaching democracy really.

If C4 is not your cup of tea you can look at Sky News :slight_smile:

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Thanks for bringing it to my attention… and I mean that. Like I previously said, I’m sure there’s a lot of solid polling on this issue.

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The end is nigh for mrs May!

Maybe not. It’s quite possible that she’ll win a confidence vote.

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giphy

Bravo ERG!

The desire and capacity for self destruction is frankly staggering.

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How? She’s lost the support of the DUP and a fair percentage of her own party

She’d need to lose the support of 50% of her own party. Not clear that she has, given the time that it has taken to get 15% of them to call for a vote of no confidence.

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I believe 48 no confidence letters would only be 15% of the party - so she’s not dead and buried yet basically.

The momentum is there. There are always less who will publicly come forward at this stage but will for the vote.

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True. Much more likely if there’s a clear alternative candidate, which I thought would have been Gove (but he’s not going anywhere – yet).

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Very true, but I didn’t discount the possibility of that that. I just said that it’s quite possible that she’ll get through it.

That’s the interesting bit. It’s political suicide to stand. No way anyone can balance all the various groups with the reality of what Europe will offer

Gove :cold_sweat:

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Fairly likely, is my guess. Even if she did, it doesn’t alter the fact that, barring something exceptional happening in the next month, there are two options available. The draft withdrawal agreement, or hard Brexit. Changing the leader doesn’t alter this.

A vote of no confidence is an internal Conservative party matter, the DUP have no say.

The no confidence vote triggers a leadership contest which seeks to appoint a new leader of the party. This purely an opportunistic move by ERG agitators.

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Absolutely. I suspect we’ll ultimately end up with a second referendum or a general election.

(Gove :face_vomiting:)

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How so? I have yet to really hear a solid reason why a second vote shouldn’t happen. Those who say “We have had a vote” are also usually convinced it’s the will of the people so it shouldn’t have changed and a second vote should have the same outcome and solidify the vote to leave.

If anything, if you’re convicted that the UK public want to leave still then a second vote is positive and will completely get rid of any remainer issues.

I suspect strongly that they know they don’t have a majority and don’t want to risk a second vote.

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No but surely the ability to get things through Parliament in future is a consideration? May won’t but could an alternative leader since the DUP have thanked Mogg as a defender of the Union?

Please, not Gove either :nauseated_face:

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A lot needs to happen before we’re looking at a new PM, but for some reason I’ve got a hunch that it would be David Davis as opposed to Michael Gove.