Even at that point… we backed the wrong Miliband. David was the clear choice. Mind you in saying that… since Corbyn got into power… I’ve not voted labour and won’t do it again until a better replacement has been found.
Same situation as the Tories… none of them are electable.
I’d probably vote LibDems if Jo Swinson gets the leadership though…
The Green Party wanted to address those things too. They’re not only focused on the environment. They want to improve the way we tax cooperations that typically find legal loopholes to avoid paying their share, and they wanted to call a final say referendum on Brexit now we have better information.
The UK is in ruins so it doesn’t really make any difference who runs the place.
The rich will always be made richer and the poor will always be made poorer.
Boris bikes were Ken Livingstone’s ideas weren’t they?
I get what you mean there I literally find now that I’m stuck with one option at the moment
That makes me angry, as someone who has had so much luck and privilege in life. 
Simply not true my old man is from a working class background in a poor family, he started at the very bottom of his profession and is now taking million pound contracts. You remain poor if you don’t work or strive to be better.
Once you start to earn good money it’s just easier to be better off but it takes hard graft for the vast majority of the rich or better off.
@anon11940565 wasn’t meant to quote you then but the comment. Appologies
Spot on here. I am from a poor working class family. I grew up in a single parent household, council house, parent on benefits. I worked hard at school, was the first in my family to go to Uni and now have a decent job and lifestyle (not rich though).
I’m fed up hearing about how we dont all have the same opportunities in life. We do (in this country). What we don’t all have is supportive parents or good role models to lead you in the right direction. Although we do have a world class free education system with some of the best teachers in the world who can provide that guidance and role modelling.
This is the next problem. Everyone’s definition of rich is different. I chucked a quick poll up on twitter once… asking at what point (pre-tax earnings), is someone classed as rich.
2 responses… 1 said 30k the other said 60k+
Ok… 5 responses… 20% for 30k… 80% for 60k+
I’m from a poor family (single earner minimum wage), but I don’t think I can point to my own hard work as the only reason for my success. I happen to have been born a straight, white, christian guy in a safe country with a free health system, a free press, and loads of opportunities. Yes, I’ve worked hard, but I’m incredibly privileged and lucky too.
There are plenty of people who work hard their whole lives but didn’t have the same opportunities I had.
Exactly mate work hard and you will be rewarded, and I good upbringing of hard work enforces this, I was always told to work hard if o wanted to get anywhere in life. I am in a job i love with plenty of prospects.
Most of the poor who say the government is screwing them are to lazy do go and find gainful employment and contribute to society. We can do more for the disabled/long term injured to help them into employments that suit and also more help for single parents by reducing child care costs so single parents can afford to work. But for most a good work ethic would make them better off end it not the government’s job to find anyone a job at the end of the day.
A little perspective.
The last one could provide some entertainment. A third runway at Heathrow is government policy. It has been passed by parliament. Johnson has stated that he will ‘lay down before the bulldozers’ to prevent it. So we could have the rather delicious sight of the UK PM being arrested for protesting against his own government’s policy. 
It dissent matter what colour, creed, sexuality or background you are from if you work hard you will do well. If anything being a white straight Christian in the UK is more of a disadvantage these days as the country now possitivly discriminates in a lot of cases if you look at some articles. I tend to believe that the UK is a very inclusive place and that most lines of employment don’t discriminate at all and employ the best person for the job
Taking one example, there’s still a huge gender pay gap if you look at the data.
In some employment but most are quite equal these days and especially so now more women are in positions of power the world over. There are still lots of company’s that need to get in line with the times but we are by no way as bad as the press would let you believe.
Edit: to the point we even let women join the combat arms of the forces now days it doesn’t get much more equal than that.
You are right here. But lets put things into perspective also. We have one of the best if not the best and most generous welfare systems in the world:
Not a perfect system but find me another system in the world with this level of support. This support is there for when you need it but people should always be encouraged to push themselves, work hard and take responsibility without an over reliance on the state where possible.
Whilst I tend to agree with what you have said, I would say though that hard work does not automatically equate to being better off/ having a better quality of life. There are a lot of obstacles that face people who have never been to university, go to a “rough” school - have a family that don’t have enough money to go round.
Whereas on the other hand, those who do come from better backgrounds have a “leg-up” and are statistically likely to have an easier ride.
Yeah it is a great system it just need a few tweaks.
The work ethic thing is in our make up though so is up to us as individuals to get out there and earn.
That’s been one of the main arguments for universal basic income as opposed to other benefits because there’s no reason not to try and earn more. You don’t lose anything. The theory is all well and good, but it’s impossible to know whether it would actually play out like that without real experiments.