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And to be fair, Rory Stewart. I heard him on the radio a few days ago saying his drug policy is, basically, treatment centres. Which is probably another nail in the coffin for his chances.

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I give a little more leeway to those who take drugs when younger and then talk about the dangers when they’re older - people should be allowed to change and grow their opinions.

But case where views are expressed about how terrible drugs are at the same time as the person is taking drugs themselves? There’s no excusing that at all. :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

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Haha I’m just to lazy to type his name out fully.

But actually having himself a little abriveated Nick name doesn’t do him any harm it makes him appeal to the younger voter to some degree.

Why do you think it’s not effective as a good political stand point? It will likely be too late to reverse climate change by the time my three kids are old enough to vote, so I would have thought this would be a big issue for millennials.

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They do have a lot of progressive policies, and they stood in the Euro elections on a remain ticket, so I think you’re being a little unfair.

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I can post articles too

I’m not sure what he had actually said (didn’t listen to the interview) - but models like what Switzerland did with its heroin problem are actually really innovative, and the results are astounding - would be interesting to see if it worked in the UK, although with the public consensus I doubt it’ll ever transfer over.

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I agree! What I’m reading above is pretty standard Green bashing to be honest. I’ve voted Green in all but one election. Everyone thinks they’re ‘tree huggers’ or ‘Greenpeace’ because they’re too lazy to read what the Green party is really about.

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Take Portugal as another example — proven without doubt that progressive, liberal drug policy works. It just doesn’t fit the agenda of most politicians (PS. Sorry for derailing the thread ish)

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He would yes, a descent into utter chaos. I hate him with a passion.

But he gets away with it because he’s so quirky, and funny, and lovable.
He isn’t, he’s a vicious evil cretin.

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Think you might eat those words.

He’s going to win an election with a Conservative majority.

Just you wait.

I think it is unfair to put the blame solely at the politicians door step. The UK as a country and society is very punitive - the idea that criminals can be reformed or rehabilitated is not even thought about.

Therefore, the idea that the majority of the UK would be open to such a programme is not even worth thinking about - we want to see criminals punished - so that is why it isn’t on the politicians radar.

Disliking a politician doesn’t mean they would be a bad PM.

Making statements is easy, arguing with policies is more difficult.

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To be fair, he didn’t comment on BoJo’s chances of winning but what he thinks will happen if he did win.

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I can’t agree with that. Vicious, narcissistic liar would be more accurate in my view. Worse than that, he is the most dangerous of things- a politician who is certain. There’s not nearly enough doubt in politics.

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True

Fair point to a degree I suppose, the appetite has to be there for politicians to act. But compare us to the US :man_shrugging:t2: We’re really not that punitive, not for drug use at least.

I’m not sure exactly why you would think this. He did a good, if not exceptional, job as mayor of London and is for all intents and purposes a highly educated and qualified individual (even if I don’t agree with many of his policies)

Given Starling provide an acclaimed and highly recommended bank service that matches, and in some cases exceeds, that of Monzo - that doesn’t really say much.

Oh of course, but what I mean is that it is still a very hard sell with regards to our societal outlook on rehabilitation vs punitive measures. Sweden has a notoriously liberal approach to “imprisonment” and a very large focus on rehabilitation. You only have to look at re-offending numbers to see the outcome.

However, in England, and we have always been like this, we want to see the criminal being punished, we want to see the years in prison for crimes we want to see that if you commit a crime you pay a price and you don’t “get away with it” - that is one of the biggest barriers to overcome.

Do you think that still applies to Joe Bloggs who gets caught with a personal possession of class A drugs in a nightclub though? He’d get away with a caution these days if no previous. I guess what I am trying to say is these types of ‘policies’ are already in place, just not officially (if that makes sense).

Fully agree though when it comes to intent to supply.

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