The Next PM (Boris Wins)

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This :point_up_2: is the sort of optimism and self belief that has been missing from this country.

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Believe in the bin!

If we just believe enough we can do anything except sadly that’s not the case and ignores reality.

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It ignores nothing at all. It’s how I see the country, there a a few who drag this country to the dirt but the majority of us a good, honest, hard working, proud, loyal and happy to keep the UK great.
I joined the military as a 16 year old and never looked back one of the main reasons for joining was that I would defend the UK to the very end.

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Ok peeps we get it. Some people are patriotic some aren’t.

Let’s keep talk to Boris, his actions and his policies.

If you want to start a thread about how much you love the country please do so.

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It would appear that at first glance Boris is doing ok. He’s keep to get brexit sorted, and he is pushing a police recruitment drive which it badly needed in many areas, he has also hinted at a few other things that sound interesting.

I personally think he will be better than Mrs May and he’s a damn sight better choice than corbyn or Swinson.

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Good question. I’d probably say the Peace of Westphalia. It’s made up of two treaties signed at the end of the 30 years war. The Treaty of Münster and the Treaty of Osnabrück. Treaties aren’t poetry - they’re fairly dry and prosaic (if you hadn’t guessed…:stuck_out_tongue:), however Westphalia is interesting for it lays down the foundations of what we would consider the modern international system of sovereign nations.

The Treaties establish the idea that a state is responsible for its own affairs, with the rulers of the state being responsible for what happens within the state (eg: taxes, religion, law and order, political processes, citizens rights etc). Ideas in these treaties have shaped the modern world (here is a wiki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia)

The idea of “sovereignty” as a social contract was also being kicked around at the time - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_(Hobbes_book) - you give up some of your ‘freedoms’ to be ‘more’ free (eg - you submit to the sovereign’s will, and the sovereign will protect you). It amuses me when I see hard line Brexiteers shout “sovereignty” - for they don’t actually know the meaning of the word. They confuse sovereignty with autonomy.

If a state tried to invade us through military force - and we lost - that would be a loss of sovereignty and autonomy… and probably our lives.

However, reduction in “autonomy” is not removal of sovereignty. If we were to enter into an enhancing, co-operative arrangement with another state we still have our sovereignty (BJ is after a trade deal with the US - this could be enhancing… depends on what the deal is… I’m personally quite fond of what we have with the EU - it took long enough to build…).

Indeed, I would argue effective UK autonomy relies more heavily on our co-operation with the rest of the world than it does with our governments local policy.

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