The Next PM (Boris Wins)

If you credit him with the economy then I could agree but it seems to me the economic stuff is something he’s happy to say he’s done but there’s very little evidence of any actual action (other than being elected at the right time).

So when he actually does something, I’ll let you know what I think!

With BoJ we have a different problem. He’s done a whole load but apparently we’re supposed to ignore all of that and wait for him to do more. It doesn’t quite add up as a strategy.

Either way we’ll see what happens. We’re committed now.

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If the economy tanked people would soon attribute it to him.

Anything can be attributed to anyone. That doesn’t mean anything in and of itself. It can be just as wrong in the negative as the positive.

I’m just happy that for once we have a can do will do attitude in this country. Instead of the miserable cloud that has hung over us for the last 3 years under TM.

I’m deeply concerned about his ulterior motives, and his closeness to the US president, and his occasionally casual relationship with the truth. However, I hope (perhaps against hope) that he’s not as bad as he’s made himself seem (though I initially thought the same about Trump!)

I would rather we remained in Europe, but I do feel we could probably make the most of either situation (though if we leave, there will be short and possible medium-term pain). What’s killing us right now is this interminable wait and indecision.

I also don’t feel Boris is the person to bring the country back together. We need someone to act as a catalyst to help both sides reconcile their differences.

However, in my opinion, compared to Jeremy Corbyn, Boris is a giant - in terms of both his capability and his integrity.

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You obviously talk to a different set of people to the ones I know then!

Not really. In the (forgotten) North of England people are fed up and angry. I’ve seen the Brexit Party effect in die hard labour areas. I have heard staunch life long labour supporters almost begging for someone like Boris. Not sure if that is compounded by the poor leadership of Labour.

You obviously talk to a different set of people to the ones I know then!

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I strongly disagree. I’m no fan of Corbyn, but they are oceans apart in terms of integrity. The history of Boris is that Boris looks after Boris.

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Might well be - but these forgotten towns (I should know - I’m from one) always have had a fear of the “others”. It’s easy to blame others for your decline. Tories and Labour have not helped. We had the strongest position in Europe - Germany + if you will. So many opt outs… so much influence. We could shape laws, we always had control - we just chose not to take it.

Freedom of movement is a great example - it is the Freedom of movement to work. Other EU countries send you home if you don’t have a job. Other EU countries place restrictions on your ability to own property. We placed no such rules… while other EU countries agreed to restrict migration from the East, we did not.

Meanwhile ‘good’ jobs in many of these northern towns, and wales are closely tied to the single market… to lose access to the single market will be devastating. We all have anecdotal examples to support our claim: My brother in law was extremely pro Brexit until he realised the direct risk it has to him (he drives HGV into Europe). My Uncle wanted out - he’s realised he’s screwed if it happens… a diary and cattle farmer who has been propped up by the EU.

A lady I know blames the EU for her inability to access IVF (she is 52, had cancer 4 times - that would be the reason). She also spouted many other spurious reasons. When I challenged her on each point - it turned out she just didn’t like foreign people…

So many of our problems are NOT caused by the EU, but our own governments. I dislike intensely what this country has become.

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Words have power… Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is rotting in Iran partly because of BJ’s careless use of language.

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I don’t disagree. But Boris wants to stay in power for a while and have a legacy, and that instinct alone may lead him to make some good decisions. As I mentioned earlier, I’m really not a fan.

But at least I have some idea what he stands for. In contrast, Corbin has prevaricated again and again, and been too slow and incompetent to make clear his position on Briexit.

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I think Corbyn’s position has been clear - it’s just not one I agree with (I want to remain).

He wants to leave, and wants a Labour negotiated deal. He wants any final deal to be put to a vote.

However, the way this has been presented to the electorate has been a mess.

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If you think that is the reason she is still in jail you need to brush up on your politics. I’m afraid thats the sort of excuse that is being used to justify her detention.

And this country is probably more tolerant nowadays than it has ever been. Look back at Britain’s history and we were anything but tolerant. We have a cabinet with 3 British Asians in senior positions. We have some of the best anti discrimination legislation in the world. We welcome (for the most part) hundreds of thousands of migrants to this country each year and provide access to healthcare, housing and education. And you hate what this country has become?

And here’s why we should never discuss politics on the internet.

Time to mute this thread.

Good luck to the idealists on both sides! I’m going back to the rather messy in-between and grey reality.

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Read what I wrote - “partly” - he was the most Senior Diplomat. You said it yourself - his words were used as justification. He did not diffuse the situation, he poured fuel on it. In terms of brushing up on politics - come at me! :smile: I’m a nerd for this stuff - an anorak - treaties are my bedtime reading. Facts and figures my jam.

You use the word “probably…” we might well have solid laws, but laws alone do not stop a problem. All the data shows hate crimes are up Hate crime and the EU referendum - Full Fact (xx). 3 British Asians in senior positions? I look at words and deeds. Patel and Javids appointments do nothing to further diversity - they subscribe to ideologies that further racist agendas. Javid supports immigration policies that would have prevented his father from entering the country. The Windrush scandal has yet to be properly dealt with.

I did not use the word hate.

(xx) I appreciate that this could be down to greater reporting than previously. However, it still shows a significant number.

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A good discussion @Bank. Glad we could disagree without insults flying which usually happens when discussing these things. Let’s agree to disagree on this one :+1:

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What’s your favourite treaty?

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This might lead him to make popular decisions, not necessarily good ones.

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We have great industry across the board in the UK. We are world leaders in medical/scientific advancement. Our military may not be the biggest or the best equipped but on the word stage it is considered the best by nearly all other nations.
The residents of the UK are also very robust and self reliant.

Many countries round the world look at the UK as a great and prosperous nation.