I’ve got iOS 13 on a dev phone and it’s pretty stable for a first beta. I’ve had maybe 4-5 resprings, mail app is useless and a few other system and non system apps being unusable but other than that it does work. It’s also tanked battery life on the iPhone X but betas always do
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Last year there was issues without an app update.
I’ve had a single respring when I changed wallpapers, otherwise pretty good. I had a huge problem with anything iCloud related and it seems that all my passes in wallet have fallen victim 
but there was a lot in there and tbh I should stop hoarding them 
All in all I’m loving iOS 13.
If you’re using iOS 13 on your main device you’re either not a developer or you’re pretty silly. Either way, not Monzo’s fault…
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Another reasonable point of view gets flagged. What’s going on here?
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So strange, nothing I said was offensive. It is a bit odd to install a beta on a main device and expect everything to work just fine. Seems people take offensive over the slightest thing. I’d love for one of you that flagged it and explain why?
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I couldn’t agree more, it’s ridiculous.
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For what it’s worth, I’d probably fall into the “pretty silly” category you describe - But I respect your opinion, and it’s one that is shared by every industry expert on the subject… So it’s hard for me to argue with it 
Also, it really shouldn’t have been flagged 
That being said, the “counter”, if you can call it that… Is the past few betas have been very stable - I remember running iOS12 beta on my main device and barely had an issue.
I’d also run previous betas on my main device and ran into frustrating issues.
At the end of the day, there are plenty of non developers who will want to test out iOS 13 and have access to the latest features… at the risk of running into some bugs.
I’d have probably downloaded it if the developer profiles were accessible - I’m not going to the effort of installing the IPSW file though.
I’ll also hold off until there’s a fix for Monzo…
That being said, I don’t think anyone who uses Monzo as their main bank can argue too much about “betas” and whether you should, or should not use them.
Pretty much every customer of every other bank could argue with Monzo customers that they are getting a sub standard “beta” service, with a buggy app, higher fees, slow customer service and a constant testing ground of new features.
Compared with the more “stable” offerings of other banks - It really highlights how “beta” Monzo is in comparison.
My hope is that Monzo push out a fix for iOS13, which should mean it’s fine to use moving forward, which will appease all of those people who do want to run it - Especially when iOS13 gets to a public beta.
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I don’t think anyone is “kicking off” at Monzo for their app being a bit unstable on iOS13 - just that it would be good for the TestFlight version to be iOS13 - compatible in the coming weeks not months.
Also, gatekeeping “iOS Developer Beta” for the ““real developers”” is a really awful take - why bother excluding people who want to help out and get a feel for developing?
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By real developers I meant people with the interest in development. I could tell you the number of people that would come to the Genius Bar with the developer beta installed and a broken phone needing a restore and were surprised to learn they were about to lose everything.
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Aye, the only people using this beta (myself included) are people who have gone to lengths to do so. Where in the past it was as simple as clicking a link to install a profile then wait for an OTA update, it now requires the beta version of Xcode or the newest macOS beta.
Hell, as a Windows user, I had to use a command-line tool to do it.
The only people doing this are ones that know the consequences.
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Restoring via the IPSW file/iTunes (RIP) was always the ‘normal’ way — OTA developer profiles are a fairly recent thing. I agree though, it’s too easy via OTA, particularly for the very early betas. Some friction is good.
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I think this is probably the expectation and reality?
Maybe I read this differently to you, but real developers = people who actually have a developer account with Apple and their UDID registered. Not paying £ to some dodgy site to register your UDID (against Apple’s T&Cs) and downloading the IPSW file from another dodgy site 
This was exactly my intended interpretation
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Everyone should just switch to Android 
Problem solved! 
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I have an Android emulator on my Mac, does that count? 
I haven’t been on Android since it made it’s first appearance on the trusty T-Mobile/HTC G1 
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Which one, and is it working with macOS Catalina? 
Bluestacks (and yes) 
Don’t restore … choose update and then select the IPSW file.
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