Mostly because this thread is mostly a discussion of how they are illegal, and not “here’s the new model” or “here’s what they are doing in France”.
I agree.
If you’re directing that criticism at me, for the record I have posted only two links to twitter for e-scooters being confiscated. Let‘s stick to the facts, eh, rather than ganging up on contributors.
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Oh yes, they go faster than 5mph, no turn lights, that sort of thing.
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Mobility scooters (for less abled people) are classed, in law, as invalid carriages and are legal.
The e-scooters are defined as motor vehicles, specifically motorcycles. Which is why the law needs updating.
Invalid carriages have a maximum speed of 4mph on the footpath and 8mph on the road. There are different classes of invalid carriages (I don’t recall them from memory)
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That’s the one, and road ones need tax and insurance, I think? And a licence?
I’m not sure, tbh. I’ve seen the road going ones with number plates on. The rules may be different for invalid carriages. For example, you can’t be prosecuted under the road traffic act for drink driving one of these. Quirk of legislation.
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I’d imagine enforcement probably much less so than the electric scooters!
My two mile walk to work takes me 28 minutes, so my average walking speed is 4mph. I agree with you, I’m sure some whizz around on these on the footpath far quicker than they should be!
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Glad to see Wheels are thinking of launching here. Rode those ones in LA too, and very enjoyable.
More bike than scooter, IMO. But with no pedals.
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Didn’t you have a hissy fit when someone said you’d ride dangerously? So why are you doing it to him?
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An interesting article.
Los Angeles-based Wheels also hopes to win over the UK market with its unusual looking scooter which features a seat, though it’s distinct from an electric bike in that it has no pedals. It sounds strange, but chief legal officer Todd Maron says it clicks the first time you ride one.
I’m unsure about this bit. It won’t qualify as an EAPC if there is no input from the rider to power it. EAPCs must have the user turning the pedals before any electrical assistance.
So the question is, when does a PLEV become an EAPC? 
As it stands, I don’t think this one is legal as an EAPC and it remains to be seen whether it comes under the definition of PLEV. It looks more like an electric moped, I think?
Because I rarely go faster than 12 mph. And the scooter on the article has the potential to go way faster which is dangerous
So we know the line for dangerous is somewhere between 12mph and 20mph.
Can you tell us exactly where it is? I’m also sure the government would love to know.
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In my experience anything over 19mph is too fast
Just going to say it.
This discussion is going nowhere - people don’t want them. One person does.
No one is discussion anything useful.
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Mph is hard to visualise, so this might help:
4 walking
8-12 running (various levels of athleticism)
15 average sprint (athlete), or the speed of a bull charging (The herd of the annual Encierro in Pamplona, Spain)
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Well there has to be a cut off point , in my experience of riding I think up to 19mph is is fine
Speed limits for example in a 30 zone - 30mph is fine, 31mph isn’t . What is so difficult about that ?
This is changing from a discussion to an argument and it’s getting ridiculous
Yes 
Obviously a bias audience, but 28% in my poll above (now at ~30 people) said they would not use them, so most people want to see them in one form or another, it’s the next bits that mostly has no one agreeing.
Somewhat split on insurance, but majority think they should.
And a majority would see them on cycle paths, but a subsect of them would ban them from roads.
Another split about licencing, majority agree something should be in place, though minority for a full licence.
this topic does go from 0 to toxic incredibly fast
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They key point though is to understand why the speed limits are there in the first place though, for instance why a 30 is a 30 instead of a 40.
Your stopping distance at 19mph will be different to at 12mph, it only takes one small child to accidentally step into your path and they’re in some serious trouble
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