Biotropic Design meets cash card II


Not that it’s socially unacceptable, just not understood that that’s the reason for your directness until you’ve just explained

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Blimey that must be a record. If you use StoCard you can make these virtual to save the wallet bulge.

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I’m glad you asked that. In some places a mobile phone is an invitation to be robbed. Not all countries and regions have technology for contactless use. A smaller card carried hidden in or under a watch on the other hand is less of a risk. A pouch in a leather belt could easily act as storage for small bank cards where current cards are simply too large. A SIM card sized version may be too small and easily lost except if required for specific reasons.

Thanks. I still cannot dispose of the cards in my wallet as they are membership cards, loyalty cards and ID security cards. The whole lot are just too large and could be reduced in size and still function as well. :confused:

Thanks - obviously I was unaware of that. However, I still (personally) would prefer something like “uninformed” to “uneducated”.

If someone is going to mug you for your phone, they aren’t going to be tempted just because they’ve seen you’re using contactless and have a pricey iPhone. They are going to be mugging you because they want your phone regardless, everyone carries a phone so a high chance without even seeing them use it, gone are the days of only a few people carrying phones, and they mostly cost the same these days. So I could mug that guy over there or that guy over there or the guy over there and roughly flog it for the same amount. The same applies about making a call in a dodgy area, you don’t do it or take precaution.

If you’re suggesting using a Watch, or payment ring would help this, they will be nicking your watch/jewellery too unless it’s basic.

Only if it actually existed. Which “biotropic design” doesn’t. Just because its a university project doesn’t make it an actual thing, potential or not, you’re misleading people.

This is your second claim that’s apparently come out of thin air. You still haven’t answered my first question about where you state as if fact that cards are to big.

Have you managed to determine how much oil exists when no one else has?

Oil supply is difficult to predict. There are several categories in which oil is classified. The common number that’s put in the news every now and then is the estimated years of oil production left for current reserves, and this tends to hover around the 501 year mark. i.e. if we stopped looking for oil we’d have 50 years of oil we can refine. This number doesn’t really go down so long as companies are replenishing reserves with new oil and new techniques for extracting oil from exiting locations.

Id be interested to know how you know how much oil exists when oil companies don’t?

You proposed making a smaller card that could attached to a full sized card anyway. This goes contrary to how you explain “biotropic design” (or how about just… green design).

If you wanted to achieve this, why wouldn’t you just get rid of cards all together? Your proposal doesnt fit ‘biotropic design’.

Source? This is another dramatic explicit claim that’s contrary to what everyone else seems to think. Where has this come from?

How do you propose we change the current system to accommodate new cards without the huge environmental impact that would occur?

Two things here. Asperger’s its self is perfectly acceptable by most people. Using it as an excuse though can come across negatively and may generally be frowned upon. You can be direct and also consider what words you’re using (it admittedly takes work and time).

This is your primary answer as to why your idea while considerate in trying to reduce plastic, doesn’t work. There’s a reason cards are the size they are, one of the big one is ergonomics. They are easy to handle, easy to mange, and a balance in size so that they are usable while also not that easy to lose.

Unless you have some research to back up your original claim, that cards are too big, I dont see how you’re coming to this conclusion except just your own personal preference. You need to look at the bigger picture.


Have you a smart phone?

I’ve added all my loyalty cards to GPay which negates the need to carry them around. Now I’ve a small card sleeve which has my Monzo and Amex card, driving licence and National Trust card.


It would be a cool way but most people these days carry their card. You have GPay and Apple pay and even Tesco Pay (Add cards to pay at Tesco). Can even get it on your watches.


Tiny cards would mean upgrading/replacing how many ATMs around the world? Unless every bank is quietly introducing tap-to-withdraw-cash style systems we don’t know about.

Oh and those store cards in your wallet. You don’t NEED them. So ditch them. Environment saved?


I must admit the idea intrigued me at first.

However, strong unsupported claims started to be thrown around and the cherry on top (and the point I stopped reading) was when I found out the OP has somehow amassed 27 cards yet still refuses to use a digital wallet :exploding_head:

You can’t feel this strongly about plastic waste when you’re a massive contributor yourself - arguably above the average person too. I think you should start small at home and lead by example before demanding others change :slight_smile:


But… Biotropic Design!


I gave up when I googled Biotropic Design and viewed the OP’s profile. That, and some of the content above as you mentioned. Bee, bonnet.


I can understand wanting to reduce the amount of plastic used when it comes to bank cards. However, if Apple Pay and GPay can have these as a virtual card in essence, then I don’t really see the need to carry a card around, the issue is when it comes when trying to spend over £30 through Contactless. The only App I know that does not have a £30 limit on this is Tesco Pay+. However, I believe it’s not the App that restricts the amount it’s the retailer, so if all Retailers allowed an unlimited amount via Contactless, we wouldn’t need a physical card.

Obviously the only other restriction is if you actually needed physical cash.

It’s been suggested before:

Shame you never read it because there was an explanation of backwards compatibility with the cards.

An adaptor.

Which would have an environmental impact to manufacture (and an additional impact to create the machine that creates the adaptors)? Not seeing how more things being made is better for the environment when we already have a system that works.


So you are trying to coin the phase ‘Biotropic Design’ to mean getting people to think ‘Carbon Negative’ by calling yourself the father?

What you are suggesting in the OP isn’t Carbon Negative?

Also we already have the terms ‘Carbon Negative’, ‘Carbon Neutral’, ‘Low/Zero Carbon’ that people understand.

People already know words and concepts like carbon footprint, and zero-emissions from new cars, I don’t see why there needs to be another word to describe the actual thinking/training the world. :man_shrugging:

Also the name biotropic I’m already thinking it’s means ‘life change’. I don’t think it’s catchy enough to stick.

I had read it as biotrophic ‘life feed’ before, as in a parasite that feeds on its host.


Because the more hits it gets on the internet the ‘realer’ it becomes… no? Ohh is that fake news??