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Disagree completely.

My ‘account’ has a lot of features, one of which is pots.
Pots have fewer features (add/withdraw/lock/target date) so aren’t first class citizens in terms of functionality here.
Also, if I have 10 pots in each of my accounts (Personal and Joint) that’s even worse to find the right one, the hierarchy lets me narrow it to 10 things, not the 22 your design would propose.


Also, LOVE LOVE LOVE this update. Whether it turns out exactly as we see (it won’t) or not (who knows!) the transparency and interaction with this odd little bunch of people in the community is wonderful. Gives me great(er) confidence of good things in the future, thanks for taking the time to share this @bruno :kissing_heart::eyes::soon:

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This would just be confusing. What if you have a pot called the same thing on both your joint and personal account? What if you have a ‘pot’ (not sure what they call them) in starling that you want to see in Monzo, how do you show that it’s part of your starling account? e.t.c.

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Yes, please let’s not have a flat structure with everything at one level. The horizontal scroll demand would be awful.

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I’m not really sure I understand the multiple comments people have made about having to scroll too much. When you’re in your photo gallery on your phone do you swipe through every photo (in the zoomed in view) to get to an old one when you know there is lots of photo’s in between? Or do you change view, and get to it quicker that way then zoom back in?

Or another analogy, When you’re in your calendar looking at today in the single day view, would you swipe through to get to a date next month, or would you change to the month view to get there?

The point is that you ‘zoom out’ to the vertical list and zoom back in if you need to get somewhere you know has a number of other items in-between.

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Thanks for the feedback @kennygrant :hot_coral_heart:

Just trying to understand this a bit better. If we made this a flat hierarchy with no constraints between two different objects. Would you find useful to customise the structure? In other words would you like to choose which object is parent to which, and use that structure for the swiping on Home?

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This. Exactly this. We already do this in so many other apps anyway!

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@bruno

Any more info on what will happen to new users who were given the new layout? Will they continue to receive these incremental updates along with the users who signed up to this beta? Do they have an option to revert to the standard layout? Any more info you can provide would be much appreciated :grin:

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Love the direction this is going. Just a quick potential UI concern;
In the screen above I have a Pot selected. I want to move some money into this pot, do I go to ‘Payments’ at the bottom? If the intention is for the main lower navigation bar to remain present when viewing pots, the role of the ‘payments’ page may need to be considered.

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Yes to use your analogy that is exactly what I would do for something like a calendar. The little animation Bruno put up looked to involve more scrolling that is currently needed using the view all - hence my comment.

I might be wrong, but I viewed the animation as showing two distinct things: the beginning shows the horizontal swiping, then later it shows the vertical layout.

I assumed that the vertical layout could be accessed without having to do the horizontal swipe first - but was just included in the same video.

I hope I’m right! :crossed_fingers:

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Could you have the pill come all the way down and reveal pots per account.

I guess that would look like the view all tab but under the card.

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A bit like this?

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Great update!

I hope in the future we could scroll left to then maybe see an ‘everything’ consolidated view of our entire financial life and financial position!

Not sure if this would work but I think this has the potential to really make Monzo the financial control centre it should be.

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Personally I would not. I feel like the default should be flat, and for those with lots of pots or who prefer to group them that’d be fine if required (I don’t have a need for it that I can think of, but clearly some people do). I think you might be forced to include such a feature if you did flatten, for those with lots of pots, but that’d be fine, I just don’t see why it is the default.

What confuses me about pots is that they’ve had several concepts squeezed into them - external credit cards, external savings accounts, and internal accounts without an exposed account number, and all of those things are attached to a current account. Then we also have separate joint accounts which don’t fit in this scheme and can have their own pots! I feel like the abstraction is bursting at the seams, and is only going to get more and more difficult as you add more types of account. For a user coming from another bank and seeing this I’d be confused as to why some pots were under monzo and some not and what are pots anyway when they can be so many different things.

Objections to flattening/doing away with the hierarchy are partly tied in with the current system and how people have learned to use it - they are allowed 10 pots attached to each account, so some have probably hit that limit and learned to love having this sort of sub-account, and thus react with horror to the idea of levelling that hierarchy. So maybe you’d need a solution for them, I’m just really unsure for the majority of people if it is useful or that it should be the default.

One possible solution for those with lots of accounts would be a menu to show a vertical list (like your posts lists just now), to jump quickly to a certain account. I would include joint accounts in that menu though.

For example I have:

  • Monzo current
  • Credit Card (external)
  • ISA Savings Pot (external)

I’d maybe add a few more accounts in time, maybe I’d add a business, joint account and want visibility into kids accounts - I see all those as accounts, not sub-accounts, and would like to be able to share any of the accounts with other users e.g. share accounts with wife, children, business partners or friends.

You’ll know the figures of course, it’d be interesting to know how many people have > 5 accounts say in their monzo app, I suspect it’s below a few % of users who use it this way.

Thank you for the updates on this post, the great designs, and for attempting to reconcile the conflicting demands of so many forum users. I hope some of it the feedback is useful and it really is fascinating for customers to see your thinking behind these decisions where you have to balance an awful lot of competing demands.

The default position right now is whatever we merge to the production app will be behind the same feature flag that a lot of you already have enabled. We might bring the new navigation flag to Labs at some point as well.

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I think this is perfect! Do this and then have the swipe to just be between accounts with sub-items appearing underneath with a full pull down. Easy to switch between joint accounts and credit cards then with pots easily accessible as well! Just add a total amount figure per account as well (including pots) and that is perfect for me.

Please don’t get rid of the vertical pot list. It’s so much better than the endless side swiping to get to a pot!

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Those backgrounds - where are they from?

They are not planning on doing this? They’re saying they’ll easily allow you to swap between the two views.

I can see your point with how you use it, but I also like the idea of grouping pots as sub-items. These are the pots I have in our joint account to help us manage our money:

  • General Savings
  • Summer Holiday - Specific savings with a goal
  • Car Expenses - put x aside each month to pay annual expenses (eg I pay annually for car insurance, servicing etc)
  • Annual memberships - put x aside for annual membership cost eg National Trust
  • Children’s gifted money (one per child)

So as you can see some of the pots I have are there to help me manage my money (and to stop paying extra for monthly payments) and therefore are very much a sub-item of my account.

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https://community.monzo.com/t/custom-pot-images-to-use/62748/114?u=michaelc

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