Electric Scooters (Bird, Lime, etc)

That’s great to hear/read.

  • So they are going to be classed as a motor vehicle
  • They require insurance
  • They should be restricted to 15mph
  • You need a drivers licence

Hopefully the trial goes well as those should help keep everyone safe.

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Yup, but seems the evidence they’ve received so far has been more supportive of treating them like EAPCs (rather than motor vehicles), which I think is probably where we’ll end up once the trial has ended.

I suspect it will make it almost impossible now for the police to enforce restrictions on privately owned scooters, and they will only enforce if someone is riding like an idiot.

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I don’t think it does at all. The law is the law. The police still have the option to uphold it against privately owned scooters regardless of any trials. Gov has been clear that the trial relates to rental only. Very clear.

I agree with you, though, police are only likely to enforce it when riders acting like complete idiots.

I’m struggling to think of anything else in this country that’s legal to do while renting, but not while owning.

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I agree. It’s pretty strange when you think about it. You’re essentially giving corporations (foreign investors hoping to create monopolies) the legal right, but not the public.

Not to mention that the people that own these, don’t clutter up the street, as they carry them into the home or office. They keep them better maintained and don’t pass on any Covid germs either!

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I don’t think it’s strange at all

Easier to enforce things because you have a single point of contact for thousands of vehicles.

Easier to gather data as I imagine the scooters send a lot back to the operators.

Not to mention it’s money in the budget they wouldn’t otherwise get.

Admittedly I haven’t read any of the articles but how will they ensure riders have a licence and helmet? Will it be up for the companies or the police?

The way I interpret it is that this is a controlled way of testing the use of the devices and making temporary provisions in law until such time that the Gov can best work out how the privately-owned vehicles can be sensibly legislated for.

Anyone know how rentals get charged battery wise ?

And yes agree with @Ordog
Hopefully the majority ride safely and we can embrace the new and eco friendly technology

In relation to insurance I read this as the provider will sort that out. “1) E-scooters in trials need to be covered by a motor vehicle insurance policy - it is understood rental operators will ensure a policy is in place that covers users of the vehicles.” In which case if you’ve a driver’s licence you’re good to go.

They hire people to plug them in at their home and charge them and then drop them back on the street when done.

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I think insurance is the main reason. Rental companies must ensure each scooter is insured - much harder to police if individuals are responsible for insuring themselves, especially as these scooters do not have registration plates.

That’s a good point.

I’m sure that alternative insurance models may also work.

In reference to motor vehicles (cars, say), in the UK a car is usually insured on its registration number with named people permitted to drive. ( There are variances and exceptions to this but that’s typically how it works in the UK )

In Europe, I understand the model is different. It’s normally the car being insured for anyone to drive provided they have the permission of the owner.

E-Scooters, whilst classified as motor vehicles, don’t conform to Construction & Use Regs as they don’t have number plates.

It’s feasible, perhaps, that in the future people might take out insurance to insure them to drive any e-scooter. That way, the driver is insured without tying them to a particular machine (without a registration number). That arrangement might be easier to check that drivers are properly insured.

I’m not suggesting that will happen, just theorising one way that might work.

I rarely read the daily mail if at all but it popped up earlier ( too Tory and sensationalist for me )

They blow out of proportion the two people in the world who have been sadly killed . What about the pedestrians, cyclists , drivers who get killed each day ?

I wonder what are the requirements to operate such a rental business. Can you run a company, buy a scooter & insurance as the company, then rent it to yourself?

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Does anyone know if there’s a list of councils yet who are participating?

I saw a figure earlier . Think it’s about 40 or 50

This bit got me:

“We were hoping that speeds would be limited, ideally to as close to walking as possible”

at which point you are better off using a kick scooter (not exactly legally clear either)…

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These pressure groups tend to only see one side… which is their purpose I guess… but it does lead to statements like that.

Finally. I’ve found one that the police have seized.

Technically, they could’ve done the driver for any or all of these:

  • driving whilst using mobile phone
  • careless driving
  • driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence