Good luck going on holiday in the next few years being unvaccinated.
And it’s your total right to not give them money though I always find that argument flawed:
Business: “we don’t want XYZ to come to us”
XYZ people: “well I am absolutely not going there”
Business: “… fine? That’s what we wanted”.
Indeed, we are off to the Caribbean soon, vaccinations needed for every island we are visiting. For some it’s vaccine or quarantine, for others it’s vaccine or you don’t get in at all.
I mean I hate data creep and love privacy as much as possible but the Scotland covid app just shows your name, date of birth and vaccine dates.
Getting challenged for id for going to a pub shows more then that on the driving license or going abroad or even collecting mail.
Not necessarily. The cleaner at my work, who is vaccinated, couldn’t get into the football stadium to watch a game as his paper vaccine pass had expired (mad that this is a thing) and he couldn’t get a new one in time. He has an old Nokia.Why shouldn’t he have got in?
They’re valid for 30 days, so is he going to have to request a new one every 30 days for the rest of his life so he can watch a sport he is passionate about? It’s bullshit
Couldn’t agree with you more here.
We’re in england. 14 days is insanity!! How long does it take for each new one to arrive?
This I only really agree with if it’s government enforced. Which I would be strongly against. If it’s a matter for private businesses I don’t see that as oppression. If they say they need to see a covid pass on an iPhone or something, they can.
I probably wouldn’t use any businesses that did that myself, nor do I see it really happening, I just wouldn’t have a problem with them doing it.
Can I ask what benefit you see? Wales and Scotland had higher case rates than England since “freedom day”. Many European countries with strict covid status policies have seen record cases/ rates.
It’s nonsense that they do anything meaningful to prevent spread. Sure, they make people “feel safe”, but whether they actually make it safer is a different question.
I hope we wont need them again but I do fear there will be another pandemic in my lifetime, I just hope the world wont be caught so unprepared.
If the flu mutated multiple times per year, as aggressively, I imagine it wouldn’t be just once per year. Or maybe it wouldn’t because we’ve got a lot more years of knowledge and development behind us to produce broader vaccines. Either way, you’ve compared a relatively new situation which is still developing, to something we’ve got way more experience with.
This isn’t how you analyse effectiveness though. Just because there are still cases with restrictions, it doesn’t mean they’ve failed. Do you know, with certainty, what the figures would be had those restrictions not been put in place?
Things such as strict QR Code access, or requiring vaccinations, might also not be as a way of reducing cases but as a way of avoiding the health care system being overloaded by people who could otherwise reduce their own impact, through a vaccine, or testing prior to large gatherings.
Vaccines have never been about not catching it, but about reducing the wider impact. Nobody ever stood on TV and said vaccines would eradicate Covid within 12 months.
I feel like I’m about to open Pandora’s box here, but (a) what are you implying when you say ‘emergency use’, and (b) what does ‘emergency use’ mean to you?
Obviously not, because we don’t have a parallel universe where we can compare. The evidence we do have comparing countries is that they are pretty useless at preventing spread.
Evidence, should support their use. Lack of evidence that they don’t work and assumptions, shouldn’t support their use.
Hmm, I remember a certain president of the United States saying “if you have these vaccines, you’re not gonna catch covid” in a press conference. Granted he didn’t say it would eradicate it. But he eluded to it.
To me, as someone who has little understanding to the actual process of certifying a treatment for wider use, which obviously would differ country to country. I would describe it as a product that is proven safe and effective in the short and long term, with a way of quantifying side effects. Only then can someone make an informed decision.
I personally would only want emergency treatments/ drugs if my life was in immediate danger. Terminal cancer? Try anything you got in trials.
All you hear about the side effects are that they are rare. Obviously long term data isn’t available, because you can’t rush time. I’m very skeptical about the seriousness of the side effects and how it’s portrayed in the media. These governments and pharmaceutical companies have everything to lose. Certain things don’t help either, like phizer wanting to release their documents over 80 years or whatever.
I’ve said before, I know 5 people with quite severe side effects from the vaccines that required emergency care in 3 of them. I don’t even know anyone who was hospitalised from covid. Friends of friends have, but no one i directly know.
You unfortunately know statistically improbable numbers of people affected.
The chances of severe side effects that require emergency treatment is so incredibly unlikely that the fact you know 5 is very very very surprising.
This was my point, are side effects reports you see in the media from time to time, accurate?
My mum had a blood clot. Friends mum required an ambulance to A&E (unsure of problem). A different friends grandad died (unsure of problem). A colleague had Bell’s palsy. Another colleague had something else, can’t remember what, I want to say chronic fatigue, but he didn’t get the second jab after what happened. All within days of their jabs.
These are all people I know and met first hand. So yes, I’m quite sceptical how severe side effects have been portrayed. Maybe I’m an edge case. I’m sure there’s people out there who know multiple people close to them having needed hospitalisation from covid 
Edit: and nobody they know had side effects from the vaccine
The side effects aren’t gathered by the media. They are legal, scientific, medically recorded things you will find on every drug you buy.
They aren’t just fudged together.
I’m sorry to hear that your mum was the 1/200,000 people that get a blood clot.
However anecdotes aren’t really scientific, even when sad. People go into hospital for all sorts of reasons. Bells Palsy hits fairly randomly. It’s easy to draw false conclusions between things that happen and things that people think cause those things, but often the correlation is false.
The blood clots are scientifically proven to be a potential side effect but given their rarity and average severity compared to the high risks of becoming seriously ill or dying from Covid, they don’t stop the vaccine from being recommendable.
That’s why we need science to tell us what the risks are.
He also said something along the lines of “Sunlight kills disease, we- are we looking into that? Can we get that in the body? And disinfectants, you should inject yourself with cleaning fluid.” So I wouldn’t put him forward as any kind of authority to listen to.
ETA: whoops; I am informed that it wasn’t the crazy President who is being referred to in the quoted post, and it’s actually the current one (I thought he knew better). Mea culpa.
the science also shows that you are more likely to get blood clots from Covid than you are from a vaccine.
You’re also (if you’re female) more likely to get blood clots from taking the pill, but that doesn’t stop millions of people taking it every day.
As I said the other day, people are really bad at evaluating risks.
I think the POTUS referred to is the current one, rather than any other septuagenarian.
I mean I literally know no one who has had an adverse effect from any of the jabs and thats a decent, large pool of people because of my work. I am not saying it doesnt occur but the point is if I based my decision based on the anecdotal evidence I have seen from personal connections it doesnt occur but I wouldnt base my decision on that as it would be ill informed as adverse reactions are recorded and the odds are presented and it does happen rarely, you have just be unfortunate to have known anyone let alone several.
By that logic, my experience suggests that everyone should have the vaccine. I don’t know anyone who’s had anything more than a very mild reaction to any covid vaccine.