Peer reviewed is found from going through a few links
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Good lord. Not even trying to hide that theyâre trying to bully and coerce the population.
Because we all prefer politicians who lie, right?
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I think itâs down to the individual if they want to get vaccinated either way I donât have an issue with people being vaccinated or non vaccinated. I am vaccinated myself but can understand why people donât go for it. I know how covid affects people as my other half almost died on a ventilator back in march 2020 with it. My other halfâs sister in law has long covid and a damaged heart. Feels like the world has gone back to normal now.
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The risk to an individual is reduced 50% (approx) in any environment. That doesnât change.
The risk of an infection occluding on an airplane in your example is contributed to by vaccinated and unvaccinated people. As there are more vaccinated then they will contribute more to the risk of infection.
The percentage that each individual contributes to the overall risk on the plane is still 50% less for vaccinated compared with unvaccinated.
Environmental controls such as masks, air filters, social distancing reduce the risk further.
I get what you are saying but the bottom line fact is that the more vaccinated people they are on the plane the less the risk to the plane as a whole.
(Appreciate this was a simple illustrative example and there are a lot more factors at work).
I think I read somewhere that the seats at greatest risk on a plane are those towards the front because of the way the airflow works but not sure if thatâs factually correct.
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I used to get very travel sick as a child but have always been fine as an adult. Iâve not actually noticed a difference between the front and back of an aircraft in terms of comfort, but Iâve only been on short-haul flights.
I went on a very rough hovercraft to Calais a few years ago and people were throwing up all around me. I was fine, apart from a sore backside from constantly slamming down into the seat every few minutes.
It does feel like that, but I feel itâs a slightly dangerous sense of security. I have a friend who is an anaesthetist, she was telling me how strained they are already in the West Midlands - she says they are cancelling cancer operations everyday for example and apparently even in the worst winter crisis pre 2020 it would have been unthinkable for them to ever cancel a cancer op. And itâs November. Thatâs just one doctor of course, but a lot of NHS chiefs are reporting similar things.
I fear come January / February, even a slight rise in the hospitalisation rate may create a serious situation that forces the governmentâs hand. Thatâs why Iâm still being very careful to reduce transmission chance where possible and doing my best to encourage others to do the same - until the bulk of the NHS backlog is dealt with, I donât think we are out of the woods completely, and also - anyone who finds themselves needing hospital treatment this winter might find out how dangerous these NHS shortages really are.
I do agree vaccination is a choice, but I think everyone should really be doing what they can still, vaccinated or unvaccinated.
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Some interesting research here by boing re Covid on planes.
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On the subject of discrimination, surely this is unconstitutional, as it leaves some of the country unrepresented by their own elected Government 
Hopefully it will concentrate their minds 
Turned up for my pre booked booster today and they didnât have any⌠theyâll apparently contact me when they do.
Rollout going well then⌠
Seems so. I got a FB message to say there were 40 odd âabout to expireâ vaccines at our local walk-in centre. Shot down there to find a queue about 30 strong and 8 minutes to go to expiry. I came home. 
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So in my area there arenât enough vaccines to cover the prebooked appointments, and in yours theyâve got excess theyâre handing out to people that just turn up.
I thought all the walk in centres had shut down years ago?
Same here. So many arenât showing up at some GPs that theyâre desperately ringing around
Been to my GP to see about the booster and they havenât been allocated any so I have to ring 119 to grab-a-jab.
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The NHS system suggested two near [enough] venues- but there was no availability. R-
We have flown a few times with Air France and KLM.
The covid requirements mean you can check in online but you wonât be issued a boarding card. You will be allocated a seat however.
You need to pick up your boarding card at the check in desk at which time your forms / vaccination status will be checked.
It does mean a queue at check in and can be quite slow if you have people in front of you who donât have all the right paperwork to hand.
You can show documents electronically or on paper. Bear in mind you might not have wifi access so donât rely on showing documents held online make sure they are on your phone.
The documents you need depend on the country you are flying from and to.
For return to the UK your passenger locator form is linked to your passport if you are a UK passport holder so is automatically checked at border control when you land. Vaccination status isnât checked on arrival just by airline when you get boarding pass.
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This was the same with BA⌠with one queue on the return flight moving substantially quicker as the person manning that desk wasnât checking PFLâs as thoroughly as the queue I waited inâŚ
Wizz will expect you to have all the paperwork in order and it will probably be checked at the departure gate.
Which unfortunately means if you have missed anything youâll be denied boarding at the last minute.
My advice would be to make sure you have everything in order before you get to that stage.