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What a great response! Thanks for the large amount of detail.

For me personally it’s a bad fit, but I am very glad I know that now rather after the fact with my data in a third party’s hands. If I were you, I would give all users the same knowledge very very clearly up-front so that they can make an informed decision. As you will have seen from the interaction on here some people care a lot and some people care naught. But for those who do care it will destroy their trust in you if they click the button and then later find out that their card transaction data was sent to a third party.

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Urgh! How didn’t I think of this!

Anyone has received cashback so far, does it show up in the csv statement?

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No it does not.

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Another feature. Another fail.

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Like income? Could just be income at first source though, then moved like the rest.

So each individual cashback doesn’t show - but the cashback payment when you choose to withdraw it is this:

It would be great if it worked how @Lewis_P suggested - with more meta data and the ā€œincomingā€ transaction caught in a Cashback Pot type entry.

Though I assume the balance of the cashback pot isn’t part of the account balance anywhere until it’s actually transferred (unlike regular pots?)

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Couple of follow ups if I may -

So hypothetically if I sign up to Cashback, but I do not select any merchants - no data is going to any aggregator in this process?

Do you (/will you) work with multiple aggregators?

In the example above, if I’ve previously accepted an offer from Merchant A, that gives Aggregator Z access to my anonymised data, and Aggregator Z can then use that data to make pitches to Merchant B?

But neither merchant A or B have access to the data themselves, just the Aggregator?

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You mean you can change the category from the cashback activity screen that’s within the cashback part of the app?

I can change the category of withdrawals but not within the cashback section.

Not that I think it’s needed but the option to do so is there which results in an error

EDIT: Figured out what’s going on. Setting a custom category results in an error but regular categories work fine

Aha! I don’t use custom categories so that would explain why I have no problems changing them…

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If Monzo takes a percentage (we assume), why are you capping the cash back at £20/month? That (for me at least) would just encourage me to put anything that would take me over £20 elsewhere (eg Amex).

Will that limit be removed when Monzo is no longer funding the cash back directly?

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I think it’s very likely this is because Monzo is paying the cashback at the moment, as stated several times throughout this thread.

150 * 20 = 3000

150 - number of people Monzo said would be allowed to sign up for early access
20 - the payment cap
3000 - must therefore be the amount set aside (from marketing budget?) to cover the trial

Though I note you realise this, and I am perhaps being too literal with my response. But certainly, as far as the current trial goes…

Monzo are not actually taking anything at the moment. That’s the important bit, I would say. One would suspect that as well as getting data from users on how the system works, they’re also getting data they can take to aggregators to say ā€œThis is why you should strike a deal with usā€.

Ultimately, though, the last question is a fair question:

Properly funded by aggregators, one would hope there’s no hard limit. Though, I do wonder if there will be some kind of soft limit to prevent people gaming the system and absolutely rinsing the cashback (I’m thinking here of some of the stuff that went on with Curve, for example).

The last line in the very post you replied to kinda covered all that already :exploding_head::

Q on refunds, from the T’s and C’s it says this:

Where a transaction is reversed, refunded or cancelled you won’t earn cashback. If we’ve already paid you the cashback, we’ll recover it from your Cashback Pot or current account.

How does this work practically?

Currently with the £20 limit, lets say I have over a few transactions I spend £285 at Waitrose, getting my 7% / £20 cashback.

The next purchase would have no cashback - as I hit the £20.

If I partially return some of that shopping (from the order that didn’t pay cashback) - how does that track?

Is the system smart enough to capture that?

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no actual data is currently being shared with our partners, but we do intend to do that soon

For our first aggregator partner that will be 13 months

I wonder which aggregator company is the first aggregator.

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Works very well for me so far, albeit I’ve only spent at ASOS :sweat_smile:

Spent using my virtual card linked to my Curve card and it was super easy, nice flow as well as being instantly available for withdrawal - all in all, a great feature in my opinion!

Will be trying it at other places like Costa and, maybe, a cheeky sausage roll too over the weekend :grin:

Personally, I wouldn’t like anything which leads to individual cashback deposits showing up in the main account feed after every cashback transaction (which I assume you would need to do in order for those individual cashback deposits to show up as row entries in the main account export). I think this would lead to clutter and I prefer the approach you have already taken - cashback accumulating in a pot which can then be withdrawn into main account on demand.

Perhaps another option for those who want cashback data export is to provide an export option for the cashback pot itself seperate from the main account export.

I suppose an option for main account export which does not add additional transactions/rows is to add another column to the export which indicates cashback associated with transactions.

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Thank you very much Monzo and @iankent for the data sharing clarifications. They are very welcome and indeed not only make the data sharing picture a lot clearer, they provide peace of mind that you are treating data protection more seriously than many others.

Based on that, I was happy to re-enable my cashback, and tried it for the first time at my local Spar. However, I don’t have any indication that any cashback was awarded.

The Spar does indeed come up as ā€˜Spar’ in the transaction list (actually ā€œSpar Newcastle Roadā€ is the full merchant name shown), but the icon/logo shown is a petrol pump emoji. Is there an issue with Spars that have petrol stations attached not being part of the cashback perhaps? Or maybe our Spars here in NI don’t register as the Spars you’ve included in the cashback list?

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You’re probably right here, it would get messy!

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Isn’t the gold standard here to have the cashback pot as a separate export (along with Flex, every other pot and connected account)?

I’m assuming that that’s how it works on Trends, with the cashback pot able to be added / excluded from the list?

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I think treating it as the same as any pot based payments would be done is ideal -

So you can keep/maintain a history of the payments into the pot (for Google Sheets accuracy purpose)

But the main feed is only affected when the withdrawal is done.

That I think would be the most consistent I think

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