yeah I saw that. Their channel is pretty cool.
Just watched this vid which is neat where they test the range
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I’m out of my league here - right now e vehicles are for the very wealthy imo. Circa 40k reducing to nothing over 7 years? Will stay with my clapped out diesel for a while longer.
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I agree that there are significant financial barrier atm.
However if this “reducing to nothing” were true you’d be able to find dirt cheap second hand EVs but there are none. EVs actually have a reputation for holding their value. So much so that the financial barriers remain even in the second hand market.
Even 10 year old nissan leafs with tiny batteries (24kwh) are still selling for around £7k.
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This is also biased by the pandemic-effect of supply-and-demand. Component shortages in general forced vehicle companies, which produced or were developing EV’s, to bulk-buy whatever was available. This created even more component demand and longer manufacturing lead times for all related industries. While now is the time to jump to an EV, the amount of people choosing to do so versus the vehicles available results in loooooong delivery timescales. So the used market values rise.
I was unbelievably lucky - from the point of deciding to go EV in the summer, I had a new one sat on the drive 2 weeks later. Friends who decided at the same time’ish still have 6 months of a wait ahead.
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The majority are at £40k plus, however there’s a few exceptions that are £30k but they tend to be the smaller cars (MG5 being an exception).
Here’s a few that come to mind.
Peugeot E 208 - From £28,225
MG ZS - From £29,495
MG 5 - From £27,495
Corsa E - From £30,305
Honda E - From £30,165
Mini Electric - From £27,000
Hyundai Kona - From £28,950
As for £40k being very wealthy I’m not sure in 2021, but it’s certainly out of most people budget 
If you can afford the monthly or to buy out right a Tesla S or a Porsche Taycan or an Audi e-tron GT at £80k+ then that’s wealthy to me.
As @Lewis_P mentioned they do the opposite of reduce to nothing, and retain their value so much so that even the second hand EV market is out of most people’s budget.
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Out of curiousity on the EV database it has 140 vehicles listed
53 sub £40k
87 £40k+
Still zero at that £10-20k
And the sub £35k-ish being mostly small/city cars.
£35k getting a basic VW ID.4
£35k also getting a Skoda Enyaq iV
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It’ll also be interesting to see if the car companies respond to the recent change to the EV grants in the UK - and that the maximum price to qualify them have dropped from £35k to £32k.
Vauxhall have already dropped their price of the Corsa-e and Mokka-e so they’ve both under the new £32k limit and still qualify for the grant…
The VW ID3 is, I think £200 over it for the base version, so will they shave that off to still qualify for it? (or when they launch the Cupra Born version of it - will they try and get that price down?).
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The Born is going for £33,735 “On The Road Price” so they may well take it to £32k to qualify. There’s no Life base spec equivalent.
I think it looks absolutely fantastic. Why would anyone buy an ID.3 over it
I would really love to get an EV. One major drawback - no driveway only on street parking.
Don’t fancy having to trail a wire onto the pavement at night.
So I’m thinking if I drove 10k miles a year using rapid chargers would work out too expensive? Or am I misunderstanding the prices being quoted by various charging sites about there costs.
No access to free chargers at work either 
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Say you got 3.5 miles per kWh as an average. (If you do motorway exclusive nearer 3.0 and town nearer 4.0 as an average in a modern EV)
You also charged up exclusively using InstaVolt which is now 45p
(10000÷3.5)×0.45
£1285.71
Or BP Pulse subscription
(10000÷3.5)×0.38
£1085.71 + £94.20 membership
= £1179.91
(10000÷3.5)×0.20p
£571.43
(10000÷3.5)×0.05p off peak
£142.86
Compare with petrol say 25 mpg
10000/25 = 400 gallons of fuel
400 * 4.546= 1818.4 litres
£1.45 a litre
£2636.68
Compare with petrol say 40 mpg
10000/40 = 250 gallons of fuel
250 * 4.546= 1136.5 litres
£1.45 a litre
£1647.93
Compare with diesel say 50 mpg
10000/50 = 200
909.2 litres
£1.48 litre
£1345.616
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Compare with diesel say 60 mpg
10000/60 = 166.66
757.66 litres
£1.48 litre
£1121.35
–
Compare with diesel say 70 mpg
10000/70 = 142.86
649.43 litres
£1.48 litre
£961.15
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Have a look at OntO, Elmo and Electric Zoo,
As I have my car from OntO, and Public Charging is included, which is perfect for me as we don’t have a drive, and I charge when I need to, whilst shopping or getting a coffee, and it really is not hassle.
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Interesting seeing the membership model.
It seems with a lot of the comparisons it’s very close at 24mths so ideal if you wanted less than two years or if you only need a car for specific journeys and want to have a car for the month.
Looking at an ID.3 it’s slightly more than the example but breakdown included and servicing is £21 and metallic included so overall it’s still cheaper leasing over two years.
I think the ID.3 would probably be a good choice if you wanted to spend less time charging up. 30mins 10-80% so it’s more a case of grab a coffee whilst it charges back a good amount at the InstaVolt/BP Pulse. Looks like Onto also includes Shell but London centric with its rapid chargers.
£150 cheaper a month (taking into account the £66 charging fees) on a three year than £559 monthly
Three years+ it gets more reasonable towards the pricer cars. So you’ll definitely get screwed over on subscription if you plan on having the same EV more than two years.
Electric Zoo is eye wateringly expensive on a monthly rate 
Sure it’s a one higher trim but £624 monthly and they want a payment of £1744. Who the hell is going for that 
Way out of my price range 
Another alternative is Co-Charger
It’s a scheme where people who do have driveways and chargers can rent out their own chargers to those that don’t. Cost to the driver is based on the time you’re charging - not on how much electricity you take although the actual hourly price is set by each host when they setup their charger to rent.
Also they make it clear that the cost is based on the time you’re actually charging - not on the time you’re plugged in so you can leave it overnight and only pay until your battery is full.
Also, rapid chargers are NOT the only source of charging - you can find other slower chargers in places like carparks that you might be able to park up and leave overnight or if you’re going shopping in the city centre, park up and charger for a few hours or at Supermarkets.
Also, check locally if your council is working on any street charging scheme. My local council (Devon) is setting up street chargers - there’s going to be 5 or 6 all within a 5 min walk for me. Fast charging will be 25p/kWH when it launches.
https://rapidchargingdevon.co.uk/
I’ve seen posts on twitter of other councils doing similar things (some areas of London and Manchester councils specifically).
The first step I’d take though is go and have a look at your local area in Zap Maps and see what actual public chargers there are in your area. Map of charging points for electric car drivers in UK: Zap-Map
If you are living in a black spot with no public chargers nearby at all, you may want to just consider a plug in hybrid for the time being if you need a new car now and can’t wait until the charging infrastructure improves. They are generally dismissed by the pure BEV fanatics, but if you ‘drive’ them correctly, they can have very similar benefits for day-to-day driving (ie - popping to the shops, taking kids to school - the average daily drive is something like 30miles a day which plug in hybrids can easily do on pure electric charge without kicking in the petrol engine).
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Put my order in. Waiting to find out the ETA. Our current lease expires in August so hopefully that’s enough lead time.
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I’d love to go for the Premium trim 73KWh 217PS Electric
not sure on colour
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White / Black
Gold
Grey Grey or Grey
Green / Blue
Based on EV database on their real world tests
195 Miles (SR - 2WD) 3.36 Miles / kWh
240 Miles (LR - 2WD) 3.30 Miles / kWh
235 Miles (AWD) 3.24 Miles / kWh
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Based on this too it’s more likely 3.4 average rather than 4 (WLTP)
Although they I assume did mostly motorway miles so if they were doing 70mph for the majority then 3.4 is pretty decent. (Especially in this colder weather)
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I’ve gone 58kWh SE Connect in Digital Teal Green.
98% of our driving is short range so didn’t fancy paying for the extra capacity.
The base spec is also really generous so didn’t feel the need to upgrade.
Colour was tough. I tried to scour YouTube to get as best an idea as I could. From what I saw, the pearl finish on the Teal really looks fantastic in sunlight.
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Looks incredible
Might have to be Shooting Star for me 
maybe the Green instead
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