And on the flip side of this, as I’m still in a petrol car at the moment, for me petrol has increased in price in the last 6 months from around £1.20 per litre at the local supermarket (which is generally the cheapest in the area), to £1.47 per litre.
That’s added around an extra £10 to fill my tank up now.
Definitely very envious of you all with your EV’s that are probably costing less than £10 to fully charge…
Haven’t driven it yet due to pesky work getting in the way. Having bought purely online without seeing it in person first it’s worked out. The dynamic red is ace.
Looking forward to trying it out tomorrow.
Nice!
Don’t forget to remove that black tape from the front, you’ll get done for that 
Have fun 
Another comparison on them both.
I’d still want the IONIQ 5 
Talking of chargers, Oxford CC have just announced they’re putting in a massive charging station at Redbridge Park and Ride - they claim it’ll be the largest in the UK.
I think @phildawson, that’s not too far from you? Would you ever normally just park there and get the bus into Oxford?
They’re being a bit naughty by claiming it’ll have 38 fast and rapid chargers on it, but then the breakdown is 10 rapid chargers (up to 300kWh), 16 fast chargers (up to 22kWh) and then 12 Tesla Superchargers.
Although for a Park and Ride site, the ‘slower’ fast chargers probably make sense anyway - people can park up and leave their car charging while they get the Park and Ride into town - although I’m not sure how they’ll deal with people leaving their cars plugged in all day after they’ve fully charged?
More details here - also they comment that unlike other hubs, this one is going to plug directly into the National Grid High Voltage network
Yeah Oxford is just nextdoors.
I’d probably park inside the Westgate tbh. It’s then a 20 second escalator ride to the main shops.
There’s 50 charge points inside.
The chargers are free to use and operate 7.2kw – 32A with type 2 lock plug systems. Please note, you will need to bring your own charging cable to use this facility.
First charge!
Pretty happy about the point being at the front. 3-pin will def do fine until Jan or hopefully Dec install. 
Just had a test when it was -2c with heating this morning and the range starts at 210 miles for 100% in these conditions. So 40 miles less than the combined WLTP.
I’m taking a cautionary real world at about 50miles less than whatever it’s telling me so I’m expecting 160 miles if the conditions stayed the same for the whole journey.
At 3c now it’s telling me 230 miles.
It’ll be interesting what it’s like in summer 
I’m not sure about your car, but my VW uses quite a bit of power to heat the battery when setting off in cold weather. If you do multiple short journeys the battery heater could be on for a significant portion of each journey and really impact range. If you’re doing longer journeys the battery heater is on for a much smaller proportion of each journey, so having less of an impact.
When I set off yesterday I initially got 1.8 miles per KWh. After about 1/2 hour it went up to closer to 3 and remained there once the battery was warm.
Yeah it could be that. It actually calculated that before setting off and the car is new so it couldn’t have learnt that estimate. I think it probably has thresholds built in to say if it’s below 5c it’s X, and below 0c it’s Y.
I think on a longer journey the outside temperature should in theory get a bit warmer towards the middle of the day and probably won’t have the heating on hot for it all.
I wonder if people in colder climates like Norway just accept they’re unlikely to get the same estimates.
I’m intrigued now to know what it’ll be like in 10c, 20c and 30c 
I’m guessing 5 miles per kW in efficiency. 57.7*5=288.5 range
I can’t imagine want to drive far in anything colder than -2c so I should be fine. Be interesting how it deals with snow and the torque.
Well just done my longest common journey of 62 miles and despite nearly all motorway, heating and hoofing it in sports mode it’s made it nicely.
On the way back I’ll try a more sedately drive using country roads and see if I can aim nearer 3.5 Miles / kWh
so went back on the same route, slightly less hooning it and slightly more eco mode and level 3 regen.
Still 36% used. 57 avg 
I’ll compare it with a country route to the same destination next week.
Me too. I’m going to order my IONIQ 5 over Xmas.
This is super interesting. I’m also on Octopus Go and am wondering if I can get by fine just doing this with the odd free top up at the office.
95% of our driving is short local trips so seems viable.
I ordered one in mid-September - apparently will be delivered in April/May, although it didn’t help that they ordered the wrong spec of car, so had to put in a new order in November.
It looks like new IONIQ 5 orders are for the 2023 MY car, which is slightly different spec, but bigger delivery delay
Just noticed some new images of the second facelift of my MG 5. Europe should see it mid 2022. UK might see it late 2022
The biggest change is the front end losing traditional grill and going with a flat approach. Still think the MG badge would be better kept on the charging port to leave the bonnet clean.
The rear isn’t radically different but nicer.
The interior is better with the display higher up. My only grumble is I need to look further down at Google Maps than I would like.
The blue accent lines however look crap. It’s like they have gone to page 1 in a book of futuristic stereotypes add mood lighting around the cabin. Current dash is way better.
Everything else looks unchanged interior-wise
Definitely looks like a modern car, I kinda like it but I also like how mine isn’t trying to be something it’s not.
In terms of battery/range/tech it’s identical 
I feel that is it’s biggest let down, that 250 WLTP range is going to be considered crap in 2023. It should have gone for a new version with 350 miles and 150 kW charging
Just noticed that reserves have just opened on the Ariya today
Not particularly cheap starting at ~£42k (performance starting at £58.5k)
They have got to make a Qashqai / Leaf sized version nearer the £25-35k mark. I can’t see many going for a £45k car from Nissan.
Unless they are secretly planning on making a brand new leaf for 2023
Btw - apparently at the end of March, the current Home Owner Grants of £350 to help for getting a home charger installed is being scrapped. If you’re getting your car in April, you might want to still go ahead and arrange for your charger (if you’re planning on having one) to be installed before the grant disappears.
Quick update:
I’ve owned my Renault Zoe ZE50 since March 2020 and driven 5612 miles.
Used approx. 1200kWh.
4.66 miles per kWh average
I’ve charged it pretty much exclusively on octopus go overnight tariff and this has cost me a total of £66.
This works out to 85 miles per £1 or 1.2 pence per mile.
This online calculator suggests the equivalent cost in diesel for 5612 miles would be:
This means I have saved approximately £546 in fuel costs so far (£612 minus £66).
Looked at another way, I save nearly £1 every 10 miles I drive an EV.
Out of curiosity, how does it work out if you factor in the price difference between your EV and an equivalent ICE vehicle?
Are you still saving, or would it be too soon to compare at the moment?
The second half of @Lewis_P 's post shows exactly that - a comparison between his specific EV figures and the equivalent ICE (diesel) figures.
