Ohhhh good shout. I could eat that after a night out 
Again though. In my town as a vegitarian you’re going to be fairly limited to either pizza or chips. Hopefully more “exotic” takeaways come that would do things like falafel 
Ignored them? No.
I didn’t see them. Still can’t.
Never mind. Best wishes.
Just finished watching Carnage, thought it was pretty good. Quite interesting but a little condescending in places. I’m struggling with the whole meat eating stuff at the moment despite the fact I love eating meat but seems cutting out meat isn’t really enough if you are doing it for ethical reasons. If you want to stop eating meat for you really need to stop diary too, basically means turning vegan.
Small steps are better than none!
I can say that personally as a previous keen meat eater and more so cheese lover, I don’t miss meat or cheese one bit. I found my tastes changed quickly and the thought of eating cheese is more attractive than the thought of eating a block of lard!
I think it likely related to the fats involved but I just have no desire for them and feel much, healthier.
I’d recommend signing up for one of many of the ‘get vegan tips, recipes, ideas’ emails daily for a month services. Many exist including Veganuary which I understand can be signed up for at any time.
I did the following one from Viva:
Probably key really is trying loads of great new meals and recipes.
If you’re up for more viewing: What the health and Cowspiracy are both on Netflix and interesting from a health and environment viewpoint.
If you can stand to watch, Eathlings, Land of hope and glory, and Dominion are all polemics against animal cruelty - and make for tough viewing. All are free online.
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Thanks for this. I’ll take a look the Viva site and see how I get on. Might have to take smaller steps though as I feel I could give up meat easier than I could cheese.
I got to be careful with the tv programmes I watch though, I like getting the facts or information but can’t stand with watching animals being abused and mistreated
The meat industry in the UK is increadably humane these days and gas been for many years. Most animals don’t travel far to the abattoir and the process is very quick and designed to cause minimum stress and pain as stress and pain make the meat bad. Most things we read and watch about bad processes are from America and the wider world. I’m the UK the laws are very strict and farmers respect their animals.
But I imagine your the types who ate against testing drugs on animals but I bet if you were ill you would take the lifesaving drugs anyway.
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I literally posted a link to how animals play a part of sustaining rural grasslands etc. Not to mention sustainable agriculture, carbon neutral farming is also a thing, and the devastation that plant farming alone does.
You seem to advocate for going vegan but aren’t really wanting to discuss the negative impacts that also plays on the world.
Like most have been saying, all farming has an environmental impact and kills animals. How you farm is what’s more important.
The problem is what do you mean by ethical? That can be somewhat subjective. Going vegan alone for ethical reasons arguably isn’t enough. You don’t stop damaging the environment going vegan, and in reality your food almost certainly isn’t vegan anyway.
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This film shows only recent footage, all from within the UK.
A subjective website about controversial subject you have strong opinions supporting.
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Subjective?
Sure, the commentary might be.
If you watch it with the sound off nothing about it is subjective. It’s just footage of real life and death.
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And as we all keep saying, better farming and better food sources.
I’m sure I could round up a nice emotional video of the devastation caused to produce plant matter for vegans… but I won’t because we all know it happens and that’s not the main issue, the main issue is getter people to eat food from better more local sources who use better farming techniques.
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And I could do exactly the same video and show you the opposite of what they showed. That’s the power of picking and choosing your video to get your particular narrative across.
No one is denying that improvements to farming need to be made both in the livestock and crop areas of farming. That doesn’t mean you can’t as a vegan or meat eater get your food from better sources.
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The whole topic is subjective and it’s very personal and close to a lot of people’s lives, you will find a paper or study to prove pretty much any point you want to make. I don’t have time to read through hundreds of studies an examine their claims and research, sponsors or their agenda. I defer that to organisations like WHO or the UN who make it quite clear that a plant based diet is better for your health, environment and animals
Do they actually say that though? I’ve only seen a partial study that suggests that processed meat may cause an increase in the likelihood of getting cancer.
And obviously, it’s not better for my health 
You could produce a video of the same actual scenes that involve the killing of animals and show, what: animals being born?
I find it incredibly odd that some people are, it seems, offended by people who wish to live a life that as far as is practicable, excludes causing harm to animals.
Yes.
I’m not offended in the slightest, I never said I was, I’m glad that many people are able and quite healthy on different diets, this is a good thing. What I don’t like is pushing ideas that are not quite honest. And like I said, the reality is vegan diets do cause harm to animals and the environment, that’s just something you have to come to accept.
I accept that me being alive causes other animals to die, that’s the nature of life, I choose what I can do to make the best of that situation.
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Ignoring for now the huge inefficiency of producing large quantities of plants to feed livestock to turn a large calorific value of food into a reduced calorific value of meat, and the fact that plants aren’t eaten only by vegans, the main issue really (for most), is the hugely damaging contribution to climate change caused by livestock farming.
The facts that a plant-based (or even largely plant-based) diet is demonstrably better for human health and without possible argument, better for animals, are secondary benefits. Combined, to me - and to increasing numbers of people - the matter is simple: it no longer makes sense to live a life based around an animal-based diet.
Exactly and it turns out that the UK are world leaders in this
Is this the same UN that when I worked for them was delivering goats to people so the could farm them to eat