Labs Feedback: Summary šŸ“Š

Anything that is scheduled currently is bundled under Committed Spending - all of which is excluded from the dial calculations. So in your use case, Your dial should still be full and green, even if half your money will be spent on bills.

In the future Direct Debits will also be pulled into Committed Spending, and we’ll tweak the rules of the dial to be more forgiving earlier on in a month.

Hope this helps!

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Yup, this is definitely the most prevalent downside of our current MVP - our plan is to allow your month to run a little longer if you’re going to be paid late.

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Hey - our current ā€˜fix’ for this requires both transactions to be categorized the same, as long as it is not General. If you mark both as ā€˜eating out’ for example, it should net out correctly.

A more explicit version of this is being worked on at the moment, to reduce it feeling like hidden/inconsistent logic.

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Hi Jami,

I understand that an MVP is exactly that so we should expect the bare bones for now until its fleshed out a bit more before we should be making any judgements and progress looks great so far.

In terms of the feature now and with the proposed suggestions/improvements on the thread how long do you think you would guesstimate it will take before the monzo team are happy to do a full release on the feature out of labs which will work for the bulk of users?

Thanks for sharing such thorough feedback, Tom!

Check back in a few weeks, hopefully we’ll fix a good chunk of these :slight_smile:

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Data export will come in a later update, for now you can export by opting out of Summary and using Spending V1.

Hey James,

Fair feedback - you don’t need to azve your salary paid in to select a custom date, any inbound transfer over Ā£500 works right now.

That being said, the current approach is just a quick first version to get feedback - thanks to what we’ve heard from everyone over the weekend, we’re going to refine the rules here to make it less restrictive, and update the wording used to make sure it is clear that it doesn’t require a ā€˜salary’ payment.

New summary option will not allow me to put in my employer Royal Mail I think it’s becau I am weekly paid. I budget over 7 days Friday to Friday.

Hey @anon41842569 :smiley: Loving (most of) labs so far :wink: Really nice new look for my spending!

I believe I’ve found a bug, there’s plenty of other complaints / thoughts about Summary but from reading; most of them have been covered by other like-minded people :smile: So I shan’t reiterate those haha :stuck_out_tongue:

What I’ve spotted is that a ā€œmonthā€ consisting of 1 day has been created…

Screenshot_2018-04-30-11-06-35

I get paid on the last working day of each month, the date if of course subject to change!

Jan - 31st
Feb - 28th
Mar - 29th
Apr - 30th
May - 31st

That’s the last 4 month’s and next month’s pay dates. I was paid this morning and I selected that transaction in the Summary tab on my phone (Note, I have 2 transactions for my salary, one above & one below the Ā£500 threshold. But as it just takes the dates I suppose it doesn’t matter that my wage is split in two :stuck_out_tongue:)

And upon doing so my ā€œMayā€ spending goes from 30th Apr to 29th May… But in May I won’t get paid until the 31st. So what’ll happen next month is what happened in the screenshot above :point_up: I went to the cinema and bought a couple of bits on Amazon and now I’ve got the 29th-29th April on my Summary page :joy::sweat_smile: Little bit odd, wouldn’t you say? :wink:

Hopefully a more advanced wage selection tool can be introduced in the future (I know at the Labs launch event there were valid reasons against over-complicating things… But IMO there’s room for an ā€˜advanced mode’ here) :slight_smile:


Also, my charts are wrong (just noticed) My in is definitely more than the out… I have been spending less than I’ve been earning so the green should definitely be beating out the red :wink:

Thanks Marcus - we’re aware of some of the weirdness that happens when you are paid late and then set up a new months only a few days in to your current month. We hope to improve this over the coming updates!

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Brilliant! :smiley:
Glad to hear it, other than that Summary looks great :wink: It’ll be nice once SO’s and DD’s are in the same ā€˜Committed Spending’ section - I’ve seen that mentioned loads :smiley:

Can’t wait to test out future versions of Summary :slight_smile: Will the change backdate? I.e. will my 29th-29th April vanish one day? :stuck_out_tongue:

Not sure yet - we nee to work out how to clean things like that up. Thankfully all the logic is in our servers and is quite flexible, so we should be able to tidy things up once we work out the rules.

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Just another sidenote to be considered in this rules process. I work at a company which pays on the 17th of every month (unless 17th falls on a weekend or bank holiday where it will be paid on the friday before the 17th)

One case where this could get more complicated is I am from Northern Ireland and we have 17th March as a bank holiday for St. Patrick’s Day.

Would be nice if you could include logic to take into account the public holidays in the other parts of the U.K for this, thanks.

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Well I’ll keep my fingers crossed!! It would be pretty messy if it wasn’t possible to tidy past info :wink: Hehe

I’m sure if anybody can figure it out, it’s Monzo! :smiley::tada::monzo:

If I re-install my app, will it clear it out? Or has the salary date information already been submitted to your servers? :stuck_out_tongue:

If his employers bank is an NI bank they won’t transfer on the bank holiday so will mess up the monthly income start date

Right now, the former.

First, it takes anything under Committed out of the equation, then works out how much of what’s left over has been spent already.

We’re going to make the dial summaries more tolerant earlier in the month (as people tend to do larger purchases early, and you have more time to ā€˜catch up’ through the month.

We’re also going to pull things like Direct Debits into Committed Spending to try and leave the dial to only look after discretionary spending, rather than bills.

When are you hoping to introduce direct debits under commuted spending?

My CASS switch date is in a week #justsaying

Very little logic lives in the apps now, to make sure things are consistent and not forgotten when you sign out / update apps etc - so everything will remain in place if you re-install.

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Not that quickly, unfortunately - In the next month or so hopefully!

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Fair enough :wink: