Collected thoughts on card design (Part 1)

My phone doesn’t have NFC so I can’t use Google Pay so I do have to look at my cards quick often however I doubt the design of a card would ever bother me too much.

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Anyone know why they all have started to have someone take a bite out of them before they send them out.

Two cards had this when I got a new one in the last 6 months

If you mean the notch on the edge, it’s to help people, particularly those with sight problems, know which way the card is facing when inserting it into a card machine etc.

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Its for people who are partially sighted :slight_smile:
I guess making it default saves money on purchasing cards with and without im not sure

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That’s a lovely thing to hear, I’m all for banks doing that then!

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Yet hardly anyone knows why the notch exists.

Or, it may help some people, but make no negative difference for everyone else. So why not?

It’s a bit like equal marriage. If you’re not someone for whom this change is intended, then your opinion is irrelevant. With all due respect.

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Why should you get equal marriage when it’s against my beliefs!!! :triumph: :rage: :joy: :wink:

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Some people will have issues finding the chip and even if they don’t, the notch is a lot easier to notice than the chip.

There are advantages to having a notch. I can’t think of any negatives to having a notch.

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The notch is probably detectable when wearing gloves.

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Everything I said yesterday still applies.

The RNIB have worked with RBS and Natwest to develop cards with notches. That’s a pretty big one for ‘blind and partially sighted customers have told the bank that it’s an improvement worth making’.

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But you’ll know where to find it if it’s something you need.

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How does having a notch affect you, please?

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I’m struggling to see how marriage - which is itself an institution worthy of significant critique (especially in regards to it having any element of progressiveness for anybody) - has any relationship to braille on a debit card?

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Wow. Who’s flagged the post with nine likes?

How many focus groups are you talking about here? I know you’re trying to help but there clearly is a benefit with having the notch. The sample size for your focus group might be 12 for all we know at the moment.

And I doubt most people would describe their notch as sharp. There may be a few isolated incidents of it being sharp, but this is certainly the first time I’ve heard anyone describe a notch in that way.

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I really don’t like exclusionary statements like these. We see and hear them a lot nowadays about a range of inclusivity issues: “if you’re not X you can’t have an opinion on Y.”

I’m not saying that a non-disabled person is going to be as familiar with the struggles of living with the challenges of a disability as someone who is disabled, but they are still capable of providing valid insight and opinion. To say otherwise is divisive and wrong.

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I fail to see what insight or valid opinion someone without disabilities could provide to someone else who says “that notch helps me”. It’s like having an opinion on a ramp installed over a step into a shop. What insight could anyone other than the disabled possibly bring to the discussion?

Just like, to use the same analogy, how I failed to see how a straight person’s ‘opinion’ on equal marriage was in any way valid when I was fighting to be able to marry the person I love.

But please enlighten me how those people’s opinions matter.

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I took issue with the sweeping statement you made, not your view on the visually impaired being most qualified in identifying which card design benefits them the most.

…is not the same as…

Going a bit more off topic…

I wasn’t the one who originally brought up that analogy (and I don’t actually think it’s relevant to the topic of this discussion), but I guess it’s because that’s how a democracy works. I, for one, fully supported your cause, but I also accept that there is a significant proportion of the population that holds rather orthodox religious beliefs (and I’m talking about all religions here). For them, same-sex marriage may be sacrilegious and completely incompatible with their belief system and view on what ‘marriage’ is (a sacrament or what have you), and since they too are all contributing members of society, all of their different opinions must be listened to.

…So that I think is why, even though they were in contradiction with your own beliefs and were in my view incredibly backwards, those people’s opinions matter. People of all backgrounds and views were allowed to voice their opinions and weigh in on the debate, and at the end of all that, (I believe) the optimal outcome was reached - that’s successful democracy in action! You can’t just say: people X, you’re not allowed to have an opinion on this, people Y, you’re not allowed to have an opinion on that… Who has the right to decide such things? How can we claim to be democratic if we don’t listen to every voice, no matter how much we disagree with them? And so on…

Anyway, we should probably get back to discussing card designs :slightly_smiling_face:

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For the record, I’m partially sighted, and I find statements like this really concerning.

Everyone should be free to have an opinion.
Lots of solutions for the visually disabled, and the technology I use daily to help me, were designed and developed by fully-abled people. Just because you are not part of a group, doesn’t mean you’re removed from interacting with it; either with opinions, feedback, ideas or experience (for example).

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