Collected thoughts on card design (Part 1)

Because it is one less thing that a visually impaired person has to feel different about and one less thing they have to feel the pressure to ask about.

Most people don’t have a need for ramps as they can walk up stairs, Would you therefore appreciate if ramps weren’t there?

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As above. Your point is valid, and just because I disagree doesn’t mean everyone has to get on their high horse all the time :rofl:

If the building has all the other requirements to satisfy those who require a ramp, go for it, but id still have a choice whether I use the ramp or use the stairs.

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Improving assess for people with disabilities isn’t a laughing matter, nor is it about people getting on their high horse.

Not everywhere has stairs and a ramp. If a place only had a ramp, would you therefore complain that the access for people with disabilities has been made paramount?

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Nobody said it was. Clearly you’re upset by something here as you totally misread what I put.

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Ok, clearly the “ROFL” emoji was clearly not to do with rolling on the floor laughing…

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Not related to the topic, more people being defensive over my opinion vs theirs RE the high horse comment.

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I think that we should design the world to be as inclusive as possible as standard.

I watched a really interesting video (damned if I can find it) which made the argument to create the world for disabled people because most “able” people are “disabled” throughout the day (I think they used the subject of doors and having things in your hand to demonstrate that).

The dots don’t really bother me - I don’t notice them. But anything that doesn’t remind someone else that they are different is 100% fine by me. It doesn’t affect me, and makes a lot of difference to others. No downside really.

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Maybe because it’s not the norm just yet to be inclusive to everyone, I found it unusual to have braille on my card(s).

I’m sure it’ll pass in time, and it won’t stand out so much on future cards.

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Has Monzo got any features on their cards to help visually impaired people? Either a notch or braille?

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Neither of those things, as with majority of other banks. Whether that comes in the near future :man_shrugging:t3:

Out of the 31 bank cards in hand, 4 banks have braille on them. Two cards being nationwide, the others HSBC, NatWest and then first direct.

A notch can help as well. You won’t be able to tell the card apart, but it still helps with the accessibility.

Nationwide has a notch and braille.
Santander has a notch
RBS has a notch and braille.
Natwest has a notch and braille.
HSBC has a notch and braille.
First direct has braille, not sure about notch
Virgin Money has a notch
TSB has a notch

LLoyds banking group doesn’t appear to have any. Starling doesn’t Monzo doesn’t.

I think it is wrong to suggest that the majority of banks don’t have either of these features, and even if it was true, isn’t Monzo meant to be breaking the traditions rather than staying with the status quo?

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First does have a notch.

Tred and Curve have a notch too.

Assuming the braille is standardised, how would you tell the difference between your Nationwide, Natwest/RBS and HSBC cards, I wonder?

I suspect most people don’t have multiple banks like we enthusiasts do, though :slight_smile:

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Nationwide and NatWest has 6 braille dots, similar places.

First has 1, as with HSBC. different places though here.

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I’m surprised that the banks haven’t agreed on a common system of how many dots and where to put them. A visually impaired person with multiple bank accounts could get confused when changing between one card and another.

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The neons, holo and metal don’t have them, and I don’t have a JA :slightly_frowning_face:

My Joint Account card has the 2 dots to signify Joint Account. My older white metal has no dots or notch. Neither does my current :sunshine: card.

I do like simplicity, so the white & :sunshine: card designs get my vote - but they aren’t exactly inclusive for all.

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I think the accessibility features argument comes down to two things.

Firstly, it’s about making people that need them feel like they’re first class citizens. So if there’s a standard card but you have to ask for something separate, it can make you feel like you’re somehow different and excluded from “normal” society. As a clunky analogy, imagine that you had to “disclose” to your bank that you were gay or that your partner was the same sex. That feels (to me at least) wrong because (again to me) inclusivity means normalisation not separation.

Secondly, even if you did have a neutral question about whether you’d like a card with or without brail (for example) it’s probably more cost effective to just make it standard and use economies of scale to minimise costs.

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My new Barclays savings cash card is the design with the little eagles all over the upper right corner of the card. Love that, much nicer than the debit card.

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Not in Apple Pay but this is what it looks like in Google Pay

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