I don’t understand why it’s only black culture that’s ‘popular’ now. Every other culture is just as important and should be equally celebrated.
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They are all important, some are just a little bit more urgent right now
What celebrations do you want to see marked? You’ve been shorter on suggestions than condemnation
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In my view all these things like black icons will split community soon…
Black or White we are equal
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I think it would be better if instead of black culture months or celebrations there was an international cultural celebration month or something similar where there’s various cultures all celebrated at the same time. Not such heavy emphasis on one specific thing.
I think many people would object to such a thing and it’d be nice if say restaurants got on board and offered international menu themed items (probably right now isn’t the best time but in the future) etc. It could be a nice thing.
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I get the sentiment here of “why ask and then not do anything with it” - but I think I prefer that they’ve let the voices the app represents within Monzo lead the change.
Maybe I’m not cynical enough, for once, but people change their mind about stuff - and I can see on reflection the team deciding that maybe Community Opinion isn’t the best place for that type of update. I don’t personally see it as a cynical exercise in false choice.
I do hope this means Monzo will spend more time and energy on other Icons in future - cultures, times of years, just generic design changes - so many apps do a nice job of that so I’d love to see more of them come in time.
But even if this specific change is for a very specific audience of Monzo Staff, that’s OK too.
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We’re getting extremely close to “All Lives Matter” territory here…
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Is that a bad thing?
Yes.
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Genuinely, why?
Because it’s something spouted by racists in most cases.
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As a genuine response to “why?”, if not baiting - the analogy I like is:
Imagine you’re having dinner, the host serves everyone, but gives you an empty plate.
You say: “I didn’t get any food, I’m hungry”.
The host replies: “We’re all hungry” - and then continues to ignore your plea for food, because “we are all hungry”.
The comment of “All lives matter” on the face of it may seem a logical statement - yes, it is true, all lives do matter. But what is being said actually goes to ignore the pleas of the affected party, who are going without their fair share (of food, or systemic discriminaton, Edit: or are suffering the effects of systemic discrimination - (no one wants “a fair share of systemic discrimination”))
Imagine that there is a hypotethical “,too” on the end of the statement: “I am hungry, too”, or “black lives matter, too”
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Is that a joke? I’ll pretend it’s not. You can’t say All Lives Matter until they actually do. That’s the point of Black Lives Matter, it’s pointing out that quite clearly. It’s not Only Black Lives Matter, it’s asking for Black Lives to Matter.
When a white teenager can wander around with an assault rifle, after killing people, without being shot dead by the police whilst a sleeping black woman can be shot by the police, it’s clear that not all lives matter.
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How is saying all lives should matter any different than saying black lives should matter too?
By saying all lives matter I wasn’t saying they already do and everything is perfect. It’s really not. But people should be treated equally.
Exactly. And they are not.
People have tried to explain it to you.
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It’s only people, like you have above, who say “All Lives Matter” which seem to believe black lives matter at the expense of other lives not mattering.
I didn’t say at the expense - but black people aren’t the only ones experiencing serious discrimination. I think it needs addressing as a whole instead of focusing on only one culture/race.
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Glad to see this being discussed without veering into childish name calling.
One issue for many is the linking between issues of discrimination faced by the black community and the ideologies of BLM. I support action to tackle discrimination. I do not support BLM and their ideologies which has strayed beyond tackling discrimination.
I suspect there would be more support for what Monzo are doing if they made a clear distinction between supporting BLM and tackling racial discrimination. Opposing BLM does not mean you are opposed to the other.
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No, but generally the way the argument is made is in a reductive sense - which aims to discredit the purpose of the “Black Lives Matter” statement. And I guess more importantly the “All Lives Matter” bit makes a platform available for people to do nothing about the systemic issues that exist today.
The point is that saying “all lives matter” as a response doesn’t help change the fact that Black people, and other groups, are discriminated against. It re-affirms the status quo - and becomes a “well there are other problems in the world so we shouldn’t try and tackle this one”. And yes, we should tackle this one, and other groups that are marginalised - they should all be solved.
Another analogy would be going to a Cancer charity fundraiser or similar, and telling the people there that “all diseases matter” and why should Cancer get funding? It misses the point that Cancer may require more funding right now.
So all in all that’s part of the problem. Saying All Lives Matter is reductionist and misses the point that “Black Lives Matter” is making.
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Black Lives Matter.
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