Even if you think the NHS is bad, how does that constitute an argument that people who don’t work shouldn’t get medical treatment?
The entire argument you’ve made for that so far is that you saw one person in a waiting room who looked poor and you assumed, incorrectly, they would be treated differently to you
It is statements like that which don’t help. Do you HONESTLY believe that the NHS does more bad than good. Take a step back and read what you are writing.
What has an ambulance got to do with it though… I was asking for treatment, not an Uber with blue lights.
While on the topic of ambulances, 2 months ago my Mum fell ill with suspected sepsis, 999 operator told me it was a 7 hour wait for an ambulance, those same ambulances which currently have plastered over the side of them how much of an emergency sepsis is…
We was advised if we could, drive her to the hospital ourselves.
Put yourself in my shoes and you won’t see it the same, its the principle, not the statement.
Actually I’m not the kind of person who looks at people and thinks ‘that person looks poor so they shouldn’t get any medical treatment’.
And I’m not going to put myself ‘in the shoes’ of someone who thinks like that.
I had the same with my mum …and myself …thems the breaks …its a bottomless pit with limitless requirements and demands
I’m talking about it from MY experience as a British taxpayer, the money I’ve paid in and the service I’ve got back has been bad - is the overall job of the NHS bad, obviously not.
I can totally sympathise with that. It isn’t good enough. Similar has happened in our family. But that doesn’t mean the entire NHS does more harm than good - which you claim.
I’m quite worried that the Conservatives are getting exactly what they want, and this thread is demonstrating it. Making the idea of privatisation palatable enough to the end users because of stories/experiences like this, which means when they come along and outline “it’s time for a shake-up, to make things better”, it’ll be swallowed whole.
It sounds an awful lot like a reason the NHS should be given more money to me!
Equally I could say that all libraries are bad because I pay for them but don’t get any use from them. It is a ridiculous argument. You are actually arguing about taxation not being fair, not the NHS itself. You even mention being a taxpayer in most posts about it.
Literally their plan since they came to power.
We spend more but get less each and every year and privatisation goes up and up and no one sees the link.
It was so much better during the labour years and this is before we get to the huge debt the conv gov have ran up in the last 12 years.
For sure. Like I said upthread it needs to sort out inefficiencies, but needs more funding too. I certainly don’t want it privatised!
but it will soon be safe in our hands under Labour …the countdown will go" 1 month to save the NHS"- then " dont let the Tories in to sell it to their rich mates " …" 7 days to save the NHS" …12 years later …its gone … 
What have the Tories done … sold it lock stock and barrel
Just to clarify, I don’t think I once said that. I’m done with this conversation anyway and I’ll refer to the below point as to why I’m done with the convo.
It does, but I’d also argue it always will. Look at any huge corporation and there will also be massive inefficiencies, it’s in the nature of running something that big. And the cost of, say, US healthcare shows private healthcare is not more efficient by any measure.
To an extent it’s unavoidable. Not that this means it shouldn’t still look for new ways to minimise those.
A lot of it I feel comes from repeated government interference making a mess. We’ve had 6 new healthcare plans in five years - how is any organisation supposed to function when every few months someone comes along and tears up the old plan and makes a new one. The people in the system - particularly the doctor and nurses - are the best placed to identify and minimise inefficiency.
To be honest the damage done by the last 12 years may make irrecoverable. We will all be paying high income tax (unless your mega wealthy) along with having to pay for health insurance on top of it. So all the issues with the USA system with none of the gains, that seems like a very tory thing to do, it shall be known as Hexit… 
I cant wait for the raid on pensioner homes like May proposed, they dont want to pay with their homes they gained from for care but also want tax cuts for their pensions.
At least those fine water companies will be able to bundle health insurance with their policies.
Anyone tell me where privatisation has worked well again for the masses? BA and…
why stop at pensioners, any gain on property selling should have CGT on it .couldnt care less how old you are …lol
Unless its properties over a certain value, that would be unfair somehow according to Truss.
This reminds me of the old bitcoin rush with lots of lower end people making large gains by chance as it was. The gov decided to tax it like shares with CGT BUT unlike shares if you made a loss you couldnt right it off which is akin to betting.
I think Keir could take that on board after all its windfall profit 
certainly Ang would
The new name for CGT, cgt gets a bad rap, its time to rebrand it, windfall tax.