Pride Icons alongside Transactions

Again it’s a thin excuse to hide homophobia.

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To any whose wondering about the current issues, I’d watch the video that @simonb posted 12 hours it gives a very informative and good explanation of the current issues surrounding the LGBTQ+.(Simon, it was incredibly interesting and very glad that it happened at Monzo, it taught me a lot):100:
There were some things I just didn’t agree on with the panellists but that’s part of the point to challenge my own biases and beliefs.
In terms of Monzo, doing things/emoticons I think having a personalised calendar would work as for example I am a very ardent supporter of the armed forces but I know that the Poppy can be seen as a controversial symbol in some spheres.

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What is? Why homophobia specifically?

If monzo displayed the poppy symbol and people didn’t want that pushed on their phones they would be homophobic?

I’m not understanding how your linking homophobia with people who don’t want any political stance pushed on their phone without option. Maybe you can clear that up?

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It is. But not only that (according to an interview I saw with the director of Pride 2019)

As I said above, I don’t see anyone being offended by a :rainbow: per se, but expressing the view that they’d rather not see what they see as political or religious symbols.

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I’m curious what exactly defines intolerance in your opinion. Little thought experiment: a Jewish Monzo user gets annoyed Hanukkah doesnt get an Emoji but Diwali does. Do you consider this intolerance? IMO, that doesn’t make them intolerant. An expectation is being set that religious events might get a little celebration in this way and when it happens for one and not the other, people can take that in a negative way. I see both sides of the coin, hence saying this could be a slippery slope.

Gonna stop there since I’ve derailed the thread somewhat, apologies.

Edit: typo.

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Did anyone say they didn’t support Pride? Has anyone even come close to expressing homophobic views?

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You think someone would be that foolish?

But the people saying they don’t support political movements, on pride month, well you have to wonder.

What other political movements have Monzo supported? If they haven’t then what politics of pride are people against?

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Feel this topic isn’t gonna be much fun soon.

But I agree with @Cerberus. If someone cares so much about seeing a tiny rainbow or Eid icon on their phone that they decide to come online and complain about it…that doesn’t scream ‘tolerant’ to me.

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Not sure this thread is much fun now, let alone soon :joy:

FYI - I couldn’t care less if there were rainbows every day all day - It matters not to me.

But… You can’t demand tolerance and acceptance whilst being intolerant and unaccepting of people who don’t take your view point - No matter how “right” you think you may be (not you specifically… The universal “you”).

There could be a number of reasons for people not wanting something you may find perfectly acceptable - Bad experience, past trauma, religious beliefs… The list goes on.

If people want to comment that they don’t like whatever it is, they should be free to do so - It won’t change Monzos stance, and it shouldn’t affect anyone else.

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So let’s be clear. You think it’s acceptable to allow people to hold a view point that doesn’t allow gay people equal rights or protection in society, because that’s what pride is about. That is what this discussion is about.

You think that’s ok?

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Is that what this discussion is about? It looks more like it’s about an emoji on a banking app?

And for what it’s worth, I believe that people should be able to hold whatever viewpoint they want. It won’t change mine, or the way I raise my children, and trying to change someones opinion on something by discarding them from society will only lead to more resentment and more problems down the line.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though, and if that’s yours, then great :+1:

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You genuinely seem fundamentally unable to grasp the (frankly simple) view that some people don’t want any political stances communicated to them via Monzo and are conflating that with homophobia.

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This topic is temporarily closed for at least 4 hours due to a large number of community flags.

This topic is temporarily closed for at least 4 hours due to a large number of community flags.

I had a great discussion with @jonas before about tolerance/intolerance and how it relates to our company culture here at Monzo.

He informed me about the “paradox of intolerance”. It means that communities that attempt to be 100% tolerant of all opinions and all discussion end up being dominated by the least tolerant people in the group.

To counter that, you essentially have to become intolerant to intolerance (that’s where the paradox part comes in!)

Based on that, in our private spaces - whether that’s internally in our company culture, or on this forum, we choose to heavily moderate in favour of inclusivity and friendly conduct.

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I suspect that we are never going to agree that no one in this thread has disagreed with the politics, aims, or aspirations, of Pride. Nor will we agree that if someone disagrees with a bank adding a rainbow emoji to their feed, that it means that they are homophobic.

I hope that we can agree that we both support Pride, and that we both hope that it’s message of love and inclusivity is heard and heeded worldwide.

And with that, I’m out of this thread. I wish everyone who reads this a great evening :+1:

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Hmmm… Its Manchester Pride weekend… No rainbow flag emoji?! :sob::sob:

:frowning:

We’ll just have to post some here. :rainbow::rainbow_flag:
:heart::orange_heart::yellow_heart::green_heart::blue_heart::purple_heart:

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