POLL! A Monzo Credit Card? Why Monzo? Why not others? šŸ’³ :monzocard:

Oh sorry, I thought you meant closing the accounts of those in the debt trap, rather than well-to-do, never pay interest folk. :man_facepalming:

I’m guessing but I think that 95%+ of users wouldn’t pay any fees (or just pay marginal ones). I suspect the answer is a few-fold: they only need one or two percent of users to forget to sort things out after, for example, the end of a 0% deal to turn a healthy profit (so it’s a numbers game), they want credit cards to be seen as an affluent thing, rather than a device for the poor (which would probably then attract additional regulation), and (more fundamentally) when someone opens a credit card account, all the credit scoring in the world can’t tell you if they’ll ultimately default (commercially bad), be in the debt trap (commercially good), or pay no fees or interest (commercially bad).

That’s just my guess, though. :person_shrugging:

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Reading my reply, I don’t think I made it clear which customers I was talking about, sorry!

They do tend to market it on it being an affluent thing (when the reality is their profits come from the opposite!) so that makes a lot of sense.

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I’m not saying we’re completely innocent of this dynamic either :frowning: but it’s also not a binary 1/ 0. There’s a sliding scale.

A few reasons are:

  1. They use sneaky fees to catch people out - eg. missed payment fees, FX fees, ATM fees, losing your balance transfer promo if you miss a payment, etc.
  2. They hope that you eventually pay some interest.
  3. There are ecosystem benefits (this is an important one for us) - eg. If you get and use Flex, even if only the interest free options, then you’re more likely to move more of your financial life to Monzo, get plus/ premium, etc.
  4. It’d just be really odd to not accept these customers.
  5. They float around £0 profitability - so not massively negative, just not highly positive.

It’s much much less than this.

This is really interesting - and also helps answer the above question

For what it’s worth, I’m the same as you - I don’t use a credit card - I don’t care about the Ā£100 - Ā£200 cashback I might get per year.

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Most people I know only use credit cards for a large purchase they want to split over a few months, thus paying interest. I suspect the number who use them for day to day spending is relatively small.

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Why keep accounts that never pay interest. Mostly it is a risk management excercise. Depending on different profile of customers, different set of customers will get into debt trap at different times. To ensure one always has some interest paying customers, one wants to have a diverse set, when things improve for some versus others.

Plus credit cards do have slightly higher interchange fee, thus for example Monzo makes slightly more money of people using their flex card versus the debit card.

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If people use the virtual card yes, but I would be curious to know how many flex a transaction from their debit card rather than using the virtual card number.

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Oh and long 0% balance transfers!! :+1:

Anymore news on this? :pray:

Closest we’ll get anytime soon is the physical Flex card I reckon

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In an ideal world, someone like Monzo (or Starling) could acquire Tymit.
Tymit is a pretty good product, just (in my opinion) quite poorly executed.
I’m sure either Monzo or Starling could make a better job of it.

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Isn’t Tymit basically Flex with a physical credit card? (Or is this like when I confused Kroo and Algbra?)

You’re correct…

Plans or normal terms I believe.

Yes, 3 months interest free credit, or 6/12/24/36 months at fixed interest.
The difference between Tymit and a standard credit card is there is no minimum payment, you have to decide the terms on every purchase you make.

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In an ideal world they won’t. I’m sure it’s less hassle to build one on there own tech stacks, then it would be to deal with that pile of :poop: tymit

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Yes, the product isn’t the best, but I would like to think that Monzo or Starling could improve it

They can, by coming out with there own product

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Fair point :+1:

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Avois/Nectar/AN Other rewards scheme would be good too!

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A Monzo CC would be amazing. I wanna spend on my everyday essentials through a credit card since it’s just nice for building a report, and I don’t want to buy everything on BNPL

Thats now possible, when you make a purchase you can just tell it to collect the full payment at the specific date rather than over 3/6/12 months. Also a physical card is in testing right now.

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