For the love of Ireland 🇮🇪

Okay folks: why aren’t any fintechs in Ireland? :ireland:

But which I mean a proper, localised version of a decent consumer, personal current account, fintech.

Basically, I think that either Monzo or Starling would clean up. So why aren’t they bothering? Is it because of the population (Irish population is around the same as the whole Monzo customer base)? Or is it the banking licence / Brexit thing?

I know that Revolut is fairly popular over there. But they’re not really a bank (or are they running off their Lithuanian licence being EU and all that)?

Possibly the EU bit, I guess.

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Revolut has been a bank in Ireland since March 2022.

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As for why neither Monzo nor Starling have made any attempt to branch out into Ireland, I think the former just went the other way towards America. Not sure why, when the world’s largest single market is literally on its doorstep, but I guess $$$ were the prize. As for Starling, I reckon it’s moving into Ireland/Europe the other way round – using its Engine subsidiary. Perhaps a shrewd move? Who knows?

I was reading reviews for Revolut yesterday and for RoI being in the EU still, it seems favourable to some.

There seems to be something very dysfunctional about the banking sector in Ireland with two major high street banks (KBC and Ulster) having withdrawn from trading there recently.

Edit: Some good analysis here.

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Hello past me :waving_hand:

Hello @Cian :waving_hand::waving_hand:

Now, assuming a lag time of four years from community consultancy to implementation, what else can we expect?! :eyes:

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Expect early access to features, chances to win VERY exclusive Monzo swag, BTS looks at working and growing the bank in Dublin, access to our leaders, AMA with our employees, and the list goes on.

We’re basically looking to grow this community to help us build the bank your money deserves. Very excited to finally get started in Ireland, it’s been a LOOOOONG time coming!

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I was at a Fintech event in Dublin a couple of months ago, and the homegrown issue did come up. The general view from the Irish tech community was that the market is too small, big incumbents, and the regulatory environment wasn’t as open as the UK had been with things like the FCA Sandbox.

Revolut is a thing in Ireland, but it’s not an Irish-licensed bank; it’s passported in, and there was a feeling that Monzo coming in with an Irish license would help a lot.

oh and lovely to see you here @Peter_G

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They can’t organise contactless for their public transport, let alone their banking system.

Merseyrail haven’t figured that yet either :flushed_face: only just got tap and pay which is nice.

No wonder Revolut has done so well with practically no hinderance and no Irish banking license only a Lithuania one. How do Irish people keep their money unprotected?

Monzo should be a welcome sight as one of the only regulated alternatives to their traditional mess in that country

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Someone might correct me, but the vibe I got was that Revolut is a spending card, and not where you get your salary paid into

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The vibe on reddit and other Revolut forums seems to match this anyway put enough in for like travel abroad and take it out as soon as you get home and that’s it.

Revolut claim to have 75% of Irish adults, what that actually means and whether it’s bogus figure I don’t know

Yayyy. They’re behind Translink :grin:

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I personally don’t (any longer) get my salary paid directly into Revolut, but I do know of many that do. Likewise many also use it as a spending card they top up from a salary account.

In terms of overall numbers using Revolut, I’ve seen numbers like ‘three quarters of Irish adults’ are users and I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if this was true. I work in a team of 10 directly, in which everybody is a Revolut user. If you are out in a pub for example, you’ll see that a high majority of cards being used are Revolut cards (very commonly Virtual cards). Kids out on their lunch break from school are using Revolut <18 cards everywhere.

I think a lot of this comes down to Revolut being in the right place, at the right time with regards to Ireland.

When Revolut first appeared, banks here were applying fees in some cases per-transaction as well as monthly account charges. There was no means of faster or instant electronic payments between folks. Ireland is a dual-currency island and Revolut was the first payment card to come along that didn’t surcharge cross-currency transactions between North and South.

I firmly believe this drove mass adoption and to ‘Revolut’ someone, ie to transfer money to them, is used as a verb here. Revolut decals appear on parking meters and shop windows. Buskers in Grafton Street have large Revolut QR codes on display to take donations. The yearly Late Late Toy Show has used Revolut as a donations partner for a few years now. Even a local health insurance company is advertising reimbursements direct to Revolut in their TV ads. My employer awards cash ‘gifts’ to Revolut through our Employee Recognition portal. Aer Lingus take Revolut Pay. My (nearly retired) plumber has a Revolut card terminal. You get the idea of how much of the market Revolut has gained here.

In a further bit of luck, being in the right place at the right time, Revolut became a bank in Ireland at the time KBC and Ulster exited. Despite more than two years notice, Irish banking customers were really apathetic over moving their banking and large swathes left it right up to the very last minute. Revolut targeted those customers with the message that they could become their main bank with little effort - they already hold an account after all - and so many did.

Times are certainly going to be interesting when Monzo launches. Because of that apathy with the public, I wonder how many banking users, Revolut or otherwise will move over. Some may say, that all their circle are using Revolut so why switch to something incompatible. Also, bear in mind, we only got faster / instant payments between banks in the last few weeks, literally :exploding_head:. For some direct debits, you actually have to write a letter to move the details over. I wonder how many will decide it’s worth the effort.

This does make me wonder about Monzo’s strategy in Ireland somewhat. N26 are here, and bunq have arrived recently too. Neither have scratched the surface in the market.

So with all that being said, my suspicion is for Monzo that the prize is not necessarily Ireland, but more the license to springboard it into Europe is what they’re after.

Hope that provides some non-scientific insight!

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Deposits are protected up to €100,000 and are insured in Lithuania, with that insurance backed by the European Central Bank.

In reality it would be the Central Bank of Ireland that would deal with claims in the event Revolut disappears.

From inside the Revolut app:

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Thanks for that, that is some valuable insight

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So effectively this makes the argument of Monzo having their Irish license as superior to Revolut some what null and void because the CBI also deal with Revolut making (in terms of licensing) Revolut and Monzo on par?

In terms of features obviously as you mentioned that’s another thing, very interested to see how Monzo work their magic as you say to please a already pretty set in stone circle from what you’ve described.

Any sneak previews @Cian :wink:

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Yep, I think (at least from a deposit guarantee scheme perspective), there is little difference between Revolut’s and Monzo’s license for Ireland. The wording is even similar. And I expect when Monzo eventually moves into Europe, the reimbursement for those customers will work the same way (ultimately insured in Ireland but handled locally).

Of course, this assumes that either Monzo or Revolut may fail, and I doubt that either are anywhere near that :joy:

Source is here: Depositor Information Sheet

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