Emma Feedback Thread / Q&A

This is a theme that comes up again and again on their forum.

I think the divergence between the people who write posts and the bulk of their users is probably even greater than other apps, as they’re targeting an even smaller group of users and groups that probably are not that interested in finance already.

Emma has always insisted on following their data and you have to respect that, I think. If the data is telling them “gaudy colours”, then they should totally stick with it.

The under-3s will be happy!

I find that’s the problem with most types of these analytics apps which try and automate trends and insights.

It’s like “Hey, you could save £1,000’s if you didn’t pay [RENT] every month! Have you thought about that!!”

Crosses my mind every month, Emma…

Thanks for the idea - tried it to no avail. Might try emailing Santander for what it’s worth but I’m not hopeful for any meaningful response

I agree and think the design is a tricky one. Go too ‘modern’ or monochrome and you end up looking very corporate. Go down the middle and you risk just looking like a normal boring banking app. So they’re left with the option of ‘hot coral’ etc. Also I’ve turned off the ‘insights’ almost immediately and not sure who they’re useful for? The whole purpose of having a finance tracking app like Emma is that you are likely the type keep a very close eye on your spending! Was very easy to turn off and customise notifications though so not really a problem for me.

When you get to the screen that I’ve shared does it say Emma Technologies Ltd or does it say TrueLayer? I wonder if Emma is connecting directly to Santander for some users and going via Truelayer for others, and if this is contributing to a difference in what accounts are available (maybe using different version of the Santander API).

This is what I get

Emma never works correctly for me. Always says I’ve -£X left this month when in fact I’ve just been paid and my balance is healthy. I’ve deleted it.

I am creepy.

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For this, you can simply reach out to live chat and we can check. :slight_smile:

It doesn’t really sound a problem with the app, the figure is taken by total budget - spending - committed spending = number at the top.

The fact you have been paid has no correlation with the number shown.

Emma connects directly to the bank, we don’t use any providers anymore. :stuck_out_tongue:

It also doesn’t make any difference, cause the underlying tech is the same.

In terms of accounts - the rule is simple - “payment accounts” are not returned by the bank.

You mean non-payment accounts are not returned right? (payment accounts are shown/returned)

It also seems to also depend on bank. I have a non-payment savings account with TSB which is showing up in Emma.

I think the confusing part of the discussion above is @tom11 and I both have payment savings accounts with Santander but only mine seems to be accessible by API.

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Yes, sorry.

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Yes, there are some standard savings that get returned and others that don’t like ISAs.

I have the same situation with Barclays:

  • Current
  • Every Day Saver
  • ISA (not returned)
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What we need is a change in the Open Banking legislation to force all accounts (or at least all transaction accounts, rather than payment accounts) to be supported by the API.

Some banks have chosen to go further than legally necessary and show these accounts anyway, but not many, and without all accounts working with Open Banking it’s not living up to it’s promise.

It’s a shame when credential sharing worked with almost all accounts.

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And some people called it “not safe”…

I do think an API is better, but we need equivalent access to all accounts.

Credential sharing did cause some problems, like when you tried to login yourself at the same time that a third party was co-incidentally logging in on your behalf, the bank would not allow both logins.

Also, banks which displayed “last login” were always wrong.

So there were problems!

Yes, yes, yes, but still credential sharing had some good sides.

In terms of Emma, we don’t see “missing accounts” as a threat.

95% of the product operates on cards and current accounts, so it’s kinda manageable.

Yes, it did have some good sides!

I also agree with you, that the missing accounts aren’t critical.

But it would still be nice to have them, so your “single view of your finances” would be as accurate as possible.

I tried it and it was ok, just didn’t like the fact my Monzo loan didn’t show up in the feed, so ditched it.

Does Monzo even provide access to loan data via its API? If not, no aggregator would be able to support it.