Support for Cryptocurrencies

@Revels

The research findings highlight a statistically significant increase from 3% in the
2019 FCA Consumer Research to 5.35% this year in those who hold or held
cryptocurrencies. This represents an increase of 2.35 percentage points, from
approximately 1.5 million people to 2.6 million people.

This year 27% had never heard of cryptocurrencies, compared with 58% in our
survey last year. This represents a statistically significant increase in the
percentage of those being aware of cryptocurrencies from 42% to 73% of adults.

So let’s say 5 in 100 customers in Sainsbury’s will hold crypto. I imagine that’s grown since the last report in 2020 especially the last three months.

11 in 100 customers in Walmart

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So it’s very far from mainstream. It’s a niche product mostly used by nerds and criminals.

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Tallies with YouGov data from Jan 2021.
5% of Brits state they have bought cryptocurrency

How many Brits have bought cryptocurrency? (yougov.co.uk)

I’ve not once said it’s mainstream at all.

What I’ve said is it’s not niche compared to five-ten years ago where it was the geeky 17yr in their bedroom.

It’s now your next door neighbour or your postie.

Its mostly just being traded.

The form of payment aspect is minimal.

But within the next few decades it will become a form of payment, won’t be Bitcoin (that’s not appropriate for fast transactions) but it will be another coin suited to financial services.

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Just because it’s more popular doesn’t mean it’s not still a niche product.

It’s far far away from where you think it is.

Let’s revisit this post on 2030.

We’ve gone 3% (2019) to 5.35% (2020), I’d imagine it’ll be closer to 10% by the end of 2021.

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Really?

2018

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Hugh posting over three years ago back in January 2018 that Coinbase doesn’t work and sensible personal use should be ok that a couple hundred people would have seen back then does not represent an official Monzo stance. You have 5million+ customers.

If Monzo is fine with trading Crypto then they need to be telling their chat support that is the case, including a statement in their terms etc shouting it from the rooftops.

If you search the internet the general consensus is that Monzo is anti-crypto. Even on this forum the general response is Monzo does not like crypto and your account can be frozen.

This is all because of Monzos lack of official stance. Because Monzo has not said personal is fine, people assume that when accounts are shut it’s because of crypto in general (not that they are using non-personal money etc)

It’s a massive win over Starling that Monzo could take. I still won’t use Monzo for crypto for personal use until I have confidence.

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How some think it is:

How it really is:

How it will eventually end:

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:joy:

Or maybe…

Followed by…

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To the moooon!

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Phil, I respect your opinon and your posts are generally valuable and constructive, but on this topic you’re just tying yourself up in knots and moving the goal posts each time you post.

You originally said:

So I quoted an original post, several years ago, from Hugh outlining what I’d said which had already been quoted earlier on in the thread and your response was:

You’ve also pulled me up before for commenting on things (quite right, and for which I apologised) as a staff member and therefore in a official capacity.

So you either want somebody to clarify what our policy is, which I have, or you want an official response, which is also what you’ve had.

The law around tipping off is incredibly complex and most front line staff don’t have the level of understanding around this that staff who work in financial crime do. I work in Financial Crime, so I’m fairly confident that I can respond to the best of my ability, with out compromising our internal policy.

We are 100% fine with people who use Crypto for personal usage. We have people who use their Monzo account solely for crypto in the same way that we have customers who use their accounts for things like matched betting or to separate their monthly spending budgets. We’re okay with that - honestly.

Some people, however, abuse the system. They try to disguise criminal activity by what you and me would consider perfectly normal use, but there are multiple indicators that we use and identify in order to prevent people being scammed, defrauded or victimised in other ways. The only way to be truly transparent about our acceptance of Crypto would be to disclose what we deem isn’t acceptable. I could list those things for you quite easily, but that would aide those who use any financial system to game the system. We wouldn’t ever be prepared to do that because it would be criminal and negligent to do so.

I don’t think we can be clearer than saying if you use your Monzo account for personal cryptocurrency then we don’t have an issue with it. We can’t comment on other individual scenarios because if we said yes you can do that, no you can’t do that, then the people who take advantage of young people to mule money would very quickly adapt the way they work to avoid detection.

In the same vein, if I defined what we see as “personal” or “acceptable” crypto use then people would manipulate their movements of money to mirror this and attempt to avoid detection.

I’m genuinely sorry if the explanation isn’t enough for you here, but there won’t be any further information we can provide here.

It’s my last night off tonight, so I’m putting the community down and having an early one with my latest Jack Reacher book (I can’t believe I’ve only just discovered the Lee Child books!!), but I hope you have a great evening :hot_coral_heart:

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I appreciate your time and response. :pray:

The only thing that’s missing is it coming from Monzo the brand, and not just @Dan5 in a forum thread that only a handful of customers with ever see.

I don’t think anyone expects a list of what is and what isn’t acceptable in say the terms. If Monzo started “personal crypto use is accepted” then I don’t see the issue.

It allows people who genuinely want to buy crypto with their own money to go ok I’m happy to use my Monzo account and it won’t be frozen because they don’t like crypto.

The people abusing the system with fraud don’t care about terms they aren’t going to try it on and more or less because they see personal crypto is fine.

If I was in charge of marketing I would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Well an email would be excellent that way it would inform all users

Or even inside the app as one of those information alerts that appears at the top of your feed that you can dismiss.

Or adding to the website under features as the account as it’s a clear incentive to some people to know their bank is fine with personal crypto use.

Or add it to their terms and conditions.

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How about we leave this one now? We’ve had a better and more comprehensive response than perhaps we deserved given the circumstances.

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At least it clarified it for me so that i now have the knowledge that if I decided I wanted to do it in the future, I know i can do it without any consequences as long as its for personal use.

As said above, if people want to know, this is now out there in the public domain curtesy of Google.

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I don’t see going round in circles.

I see a very valuable discussion here were we have clear communication from a Monzo staff that Monzo is fine with personal crypto that’s a huge step forward.

Personally I would like to shout that as themselves on the email/website/terms rather than now Hugh (2018) and Dan (2021) saying it’s fine. I believe Dan but the millions of customers (and potential customers) won’t see this thread.

If I was in marketing at Monzo I would be making a big deal that Monzo is fine with it whilst Starling is not. It’s an easy win.

For the people that don’t care then they don’t take an action, how.many marketing emails are always 100% relevant to your personal needs.

Monzo demographic are the most likely to be holding crypto. 18-40, affluent, techie, trusting fintech, already using Freetrade/T212 etc

Proportionally it would be higher than a legacy bank with a full range of customers like NatWest.

If you asked everyone of Monzo customers you would expect a decent proportion to have heard of Bitcoin and/or hold it elsewhere.

You’ve said that several times. I’m sure that it’s been noted.

I’m not sure what else remains to be said.

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Nothing from myself but it doesn’t warrant closing down a thread which maybe useful to others.

I would love to see @Dan5 come back to say it’s been noted and that may happen once he’s finished his Jack Reacher book.

I’d love to think Monzo actually take feedback on board but I’ve not seen that in my time on here. I don’t care if it’s not used or suggestion thrown in bin.

Whilst I’m sure everyone may think I’m saying all this for personal reasons, I truly believe it would help Monzo grow if they were straight with crypto. I don’t care personally I’m fine with my legacy attached to Binance. Would I fund from Monzo if Monzo said it was fine probably. And again I’m not trying to be rude to Dan, but I wouldn’t want to see it frozen and me to start respond well this Dan guy on the forums said it was fine and get a sorry we can’t discuss why it was shut reply. I want to see it in Ts&Cs or Monzo branded statement/advert

Whilst some see crypto is pointless, waste of resources, for criminals and assassins, others can see the potential and that it’s here to stay. I can see why some maybe salty that 1 coin is now £35k and they didn’t buy when it was a few quid