Make it mandatory if people don’t like it tough.
Want a bank account show me your ID, want internet show me your ID, want water show me your ID want to rent a place show me your ID and so on
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As someone from a country where ID is (mostly) compulsory (and missing the convenience that it gives you, and being generally strongly in favour of a national ID scheme), that’s where I’d definitely object! That’s more than one step too far for my liking! (The “want internet show me your ID” is also extremely close to the line for me, actually.)
I didn’t say make it mandatory. If you don’t want to access taxpayer funded services then no ID required.
If you want to produce a gas bill and birth certificate when you buy a house then that will still be an option.
As for those who currently don’t hold a driving licence they make a decision if the new ID card (with or without driving privileges) will be good for them and they make an application with proof of citizenship.
As for the refuseniks I never met an expat in Hong Kong who felt that strongly that they left when ID were required.
Not everyone with a driving licence is a citizen. There’s no requirement to be a citizen to have a driving licence.
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Pretty much how it works in Spain for example.
Agreed, so the citizenship rights of those people would be recorded via the card. In my example some could get the rights for up to 10 years if they currently hold a brand new photo card but they are getting them anyway.
Why?
If you need utilities etc you should show ID…
In some countries you need a visa to get all of that stuff backed up with an ID card and to get that you have to have a job. No job no visa no ID tough luck.
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Because utilities have no relation to my identity: For banking, access to public services, etc: Yes, my ID is important (for banking: to prevent money laundering, for public services: to ensure only those entitle access them). But for utilities: It’s a private individual purchasing from private company. There is no aspect were my identity becomes important. What’s next? Want to buy some tea: Show me your ID?
Also, because these services are crucial for what we consider humane living.
Also, I wasn’t aware the purpose was immigration control. I’m so fed up with outsourcing immigration control to private entities. Policing immigration is a government business, not a private one.
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I only mentioned Visa etc as I also float between here and UAE and when I went to get a property I had to have a job > Visa > ID then I could get all the stuff I needed.
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Fair enough. But (with my wife coming from the area) I hope we don’t take those countries as examples n how things should be done …
Then that breaks the NHS, which is founded upon the principle of ‘free at the point of need’.
Your thoughts are all highly acceptable in countries where ID is already in place. But, as I said, you’ll find citizens of the UK are traditionally and culturally opposed to the very concept of having to prove one’s identity. You can make the arguments for such a need until you’re blue in the face, but you will never change people’s opposition, I guarantee it.
The last time it was mooted, by the Labour government under Blair during the so-called war on terror, it was universally opposed. It was deemed unnecessary after World War II and mandatory wartime ID was rescinded. Indeed, the general feeling at the time was the right not to prove one’s identity was one of the freedoms of this country worth fighting for.
If people want to be able to prove their identity in this country today, they have to accept they’ll have to opt in to either a passport or driver’s licence.
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it wasn’t mooted it was actually introduced (I have one) but before many people got them the Tories too over the country and abolished them
While it is founded on the principle of free at point of need that does not say if ID should or should not be presented
Entitlement to NHS services is based on citizenship and residency with non-residents or non-citizens billed for charges if they come from outside the EEA member states.
The Government has sought to tighten down on health tourism and to prevent misuse of the NHS some people are now asked for ID if undergoing hospital treatment. Passports and valid visas are also normally requested as part of registration at GPs nowadays.
What did these look like (out of interest). I really like the idea of these.
What? You use Bing to google? 
And Yandex
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Now that’s one I haven’t tried yet…
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Wait, so anyone can just come into the country and buy/ rent a house? That seems odd to me. Coming from somewhere where an ID is used for everything, the ID is used to prove that we are a citizen/ permanent resident. No ID, no house. Or you need a specific work permit. Certain groups of residents (eg young couples) get priority and subsidies on housing too. You have to update your address whenever you move, and that gets updated on your card too. We aren’t required to carry it on us all the time and it isn’t used for simple purchases, but we should expect it to be needed for “official” business eg jobs, housing, school, medical care
Due to money laundering laws while it used to be possible to buy a home without ID, now Estate Agents and Mortgage Brokers will look at and copy your ID