FCA - Daily overdraft charges will be banned

  • Banning fixed fees for borrowing through an overdraft - calling an end to fixed daily or monthly charges, and fees for having an overdraft facility
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I never agreed with Monzo’s 50p thing. IIRC their early team did some “research” years ago with a handful of users and came up with the idea that everyone loves massive fixed fees rather than prudent APRs because this standard practise is confusing to regular people.

Glad this ruling has been made and now all these dodgy charging practises will hopefully end.

Monzo is on the name and shame list but the worst has to be Lloyds charging around 60% APR to people in agreed overdrafts. The worst thing about them was that they had a reasonable APR before suddenly switching to the “per day” ripoff amount, trapping and locking in hundreds of thousands of customers. How the FCA/FSA//PRA etc let them go about it I have no idea. Absolutely criminal rates.

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I think I’ve done my calculations right…

If you’re £20.01 overdrawn, the APR with Monzo is around 900%

Whilst there’s an argument 50p a day is easier to understand, it is a rip off for those with a smaller overdraft.

It’s a good move for the FSA to make banks all advertise overdrafts by APR so customers can properly compare overdrafts (that’s my understanding of what’s about to happen - please correct me if I’m wrong!)

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Who is consistently overdrawn by 1p though? I disagree with Monzo’s charging but let’s be realistic :kissing: Monzo is poor but there is much worse out there. Monzo is loss making but there are banks out there milking the poor like they were farm animals.

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I have a £1000 overdraft with Monzo. When I hit £50 overdrawn, I just withdrew the rest, and put it in a savings pot to get some interest on it for the ~3 days that I was in my overdraft.

Personally, I think £0.50 is easier to understand, and that’s what I personally prefer… APRs are difficult to know the exact cost at times.

If this leads to clearer overdraft charges etc, then it’ll be good.

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As long as Monzo keep displaying the running total at the top of the feed of that months charges it will solve the problem with the APR not being easy to work out.

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This x1000! :raised_hands:

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About time the overdraft fees were made fair.

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They’ll have to make the money elsewhere and I wonder what that will mean? Fees for current accounts might rear it’s head again. R-

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I can’t see any bank charging for a current account, nevermind Monzo. O-

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Hopefully. R-

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There would be a lot of backlash that’s for sure :grimacing: . I for one have never paid for a standard current account. O-

This is a good illustration of what I don’t like about the 50p charge though. It’s regressive, and targets those with least with what to them are very high charges. It doesn’t help people get out of persistent debt, it penalises them.

It also leads to absurdities like the above situation, where Monzo can lose money to people gaming the disparity between their percentage based interest rates, and their flat fee overdraft, which rewards people who borrow the maximum.

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There was a somewhat valid reason for the “X per day” charging structure - whilst predatory to those most likely to be in their overdraft only by small amounts every month or so, it was easier to understand the consequences of doing so - albeit a huge % of what you’re actually borrowing.

The guidance seems to tackle both issues - the understanding and the predatory prices (especially for unarranged). Whilst being smacked in the face with an APR%, there will be a calculator that will tell you what that means in cold hard cash and I believe there will be a way to “shop around” for the best overdraft deal.

It must however sting the throats of all banks (whether they were already APR% or per day models) as there is effectively no reason to have “arranged” overdrafts anymore - if there can only be one interest figure used. This is the only thing I don’t agree with as it begins to blur the lines between responsible and irresponsible lending.

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This is very relatable. When I go into my overdraft (more than £20), I’m just like “well, now I’m paying the same amount per day, I might as well buy the things I was holding back on until after pay day cos it won’t cost me any more”.

That being said, I recently reduced my overdraft with Monzo with the intention of using a different bank account’s overdraft to cover for it if I fall into it again, and since that will cost more the more I use it, the less likely I’m to spend even more.

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I think the really interesting question is the impact of this to Monzo’s business model.

Monzo - at some point - has to make money like every other bank. I understood that overdraft fees were going to be a primary source of income to help achieve this, but I could be wrong?

Given how generous Monzo is regarding transfer fees/withdrawal fees/FX rates it’s quite hard to see where the income is actually going to come from…

Compared with other challenger banks, I’d argue that Monzo are the opposite of “generous” when it comes to fees…

But regarding their other income sources, I’m guessing the “financial hub/3rd party integration” is still going to play a major role here.

Taking a cut from customers who don’t want to shop around is easy money, and everyone feels like they’ve got a good deal.

Not to mention Monzo Plus, which looks to be a very high margin product for them right now.

This was always on the cards, and despite the argument of 50p or APR… It should result in many more people paying less money to the banks, which is a good thing.

I agree. It would just take 1 bank to refuse to do it and they will get market share very quickly. Its an all or nothing type of thing.

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Have Monzo commented on this previously?

I imagine they will stop being so stupidly hesitant on their other lending products. The fact that I still can’t be offered a small loan when I’ve had all my financial transactions going through Monzo since current account beta days is frankly laughable.

Not to mention, minuscule overdrafts relative to what other banks offer.

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