Building an all inclusive bank of the future - User's Gender

Glad to hear it. That should make it so much easier to use gender neutral language rather than having to think about personal pronouns all the time too.

You are instructed not to include it on application form. From the Official passport application guidelines

Titles
Titles such as Mr, Mrs, Ms, Rev, Sr, Dr, etc. are not entered on passports and should not be included with the applicant’s details nor with his/her signature.

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Here’s a quick update on Monzo’s plans from the developer’s Slack team today -

this isn’t set in stone though so as always, feedback is welcome if there’s any improvements that could be made here.

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Just stumbled upon this thread.

I have both a British passport and an Irish passport - neither have any title on them.
Just my name.

As for preferred names - how would this work for completely different names? For instance, My first name and middle names are Charles Patrick. But I’ve never ever been known by my first name - I’ve always been known as Patrick to everyone, including family.

I wonder if this would require special verification or if it would be a simple step as long as I’d signed up with my full name? (I can’t actually remember whether I included my middle name when I signed up.)

At the moment obviously I sign up for anything even slightly official as Charles or Charles Patrick - it very occasionally causes mild confusion, like at work when someone who doesn’t know me sees my name on a list.

It also feels a bit weird when someone calls me Charles - when contacting organisations for official stuff like bank accounts and bills - by habit, if someone asks me my name or if I have to state my name, I’ll say Patrick - then when they ask for my account details it gets all confusing when I then say Charles.

At my wedding, when they said my full name - there were definitely a few, “Charles?!”, amongst the guests :slight_smile:

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Interesting to stumble upon this, as it was today that i exclaimed happily “look! My first card with Mx. !” while pointing at the brand new Monzo card i had just pulled out of its envelope from today’s mail. When asked what my preferred name is, to be displayed on my card, i had typed in Mx. followed by my name. Far too few places acknowledge it as a title. That said, my (now) other bank still hasn’t even updated my cards to Ms. (they first incorrectly had me as Mrs. . I corrected them, asking for Ms. , but when my old cards expired and i received the new ones they had - and still have - Miss on them instead. I asked for replacements, but was told i would have to be without a debit card for 1-2 weeks while they were being replaced! Which came across as extra shocking having come from the Netherlands & USA where i was used to more up-to-date banking tech.).

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Very demoralising level of transphobia from big organisations. Looks like Monzo are leading the way in the right direction though, at least first in the banking sector.

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I actually prefer no title at all, but many institutions insist on one.

The only time a title is useful AFAIK is on your flight bookings - I’m told the better titles make you stand out when they are looking for people to upgrade :wink:

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Yep and still on discussions people get referred to as he if it’s a serious topic. No need for it. Makes me feel that I have no place and should leave the room while the men talk as women are not expected to be there

Except if I can be a vice-admiral, that’s a title I’d gladly use

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I sometimes use another title instead of Mr and it certainly does get attention.

I accept that usage changes, but when I was in school the accepted pronoun for indeterminate gender was he.

It’s a shame we don’t have an indeterminate pronoun in English, using he or she is so cumbersome. One approach I liked was to use he in one paragraph and she in the next.

they

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The person

Not a pronoun but covers it

Maybe… but I’m an old dog and it just sounds wrong! It’s plural!

But so inelegant. I think I’d rather use they :wink:

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There isn’t a perfect solution yet, it can look clumsy

I’m happy with they said or the person said or just using the persons name

They is the approach I would suggest. It flows more easily than seeing he/she him/her nonsense I have seen in the past. They also covers all possibilities not just he/she but more like he/she/other

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Had letters from recently mixed school where they are still struggling with this. Full of he/she, son/daughter and his/hers. It looks such a mess

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that would be as confusing as hell, as I’d think someone was talking about two different people!

I am just as happy to see She all the way thru rather than He, but on this community why guess? You can just refer to people by their user name!

He/him/his

She/her/hers

Hex/hox/hix (a lot less widely used)

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I think people are trying to work out how to do it without offending anyone and struggling!

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It’s the intention. If anyone is genuinely trying and consciously thinking about ungendering language then I can’t see anyone being offended

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