Are you ready for an electric car?

I don’t think you’d get the same person hogging the charger everynight. People with home chargers may have got into the habit of coming home and plugging in, just like they do with a mobile and then they’ll generally be on a electricity tariff that’ll give them cheap charging overnight, for people using public chargers, they’re more likely to go for a couple of days between charging and use a range of them at different locations to top up as well (work car parks, supermarkets). And anyone needing a top up first thing in the morning will head to a rapid charger and grab breakfast and a 30 min boost (the rumours are that locally, the Exeter Service Station is going to be a complete overhaul as part of the new Gridserve Electric Highway like they’re just done at Rugby Services).

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Oh - and the other nice thing about the Exeter scheme, they’re also working with the local car club as well to make available on some (but not all the charge points) an electric car that could be hired either by the hour or the day.

It has, actually, made me seriously consider an EV when I get my next car. My current (petrol) one still has 2 years left on the loan to repay so I’ll see after that’s been cleared what the 2nd hand market for EV’s it like.

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Fascinating solution which might work.
Bearing in mind that residents in those streets habitually park half on the pavement, because no doubt the emergency services have had difficulty accessing destinations.
I can imagine that pedestrian residents navigating the paths simply take the obstacles in their stride.

One obvious weakness of the Widnes system is the fact the spaces haven’t been designated so the chargers may not be used.

I doubt that this apparently admirable solution trialled in Oxford (below)would have worked in those streets. I can imagine that the Council elected to use the chargers seen above because all of the smart electronics are buried in the paths.

It is interesting that in the response to the TRO consultation and what appears to be just one complaint in relation to paths being obstructed council officers say that the chargers will only be sited on paths that are wide enough to enable wheelchair users etc to pass safely.

I think the officers response in relation to time penalties could be clearer because it reads that there could be penalties if a car has fully charged or not connected and remains in the space between 9pm and 7am ?

"From 7am to 6pm cars will receive a penalty charge if they are in the bay and not charging.

From 9pm – 7am an electric vehicle can stay in the charging bay (overnight).
If a vehicle is parked and not connected, then a penalty charge notice can be issued by Devon County Council. If an EV is connected but is fully charged, then Wenea (chargepoint operator) will charge an overstay fee once a defined period has elapsed”

Speaking of hydrogen for public sector transportation: https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1408075384298434563?s=19

Introducing our new hydrogen-powered bus fleet. The first 20 of these buses, which emit zero pollution waste, will join the 500+ electric buses already used by @TfL. London is getting greener :leaves: https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1408075384298434563/video/1

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As a cyclist in London I really appreciate these changes. I sit behind busses in traffic all the time and it is great not be directly breathing in their fumes.

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Liebherr and GM combo :eyes:

Over 150 miles range so far this month provided by Tesco free of charge :blush:

Now range anxiety has changed to charger availability anxiety :rofl:

Presently four chargers are available at most locations as a result of the deal between Tesco and VW but given the numbers of AFVs being sold now I can see that free energy will soon become a thing of the past.

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It might not be, it may just be limited. I can see it that it will be similar to how they do things now with ICE vehicles. “Spend X amount on your shopping and receive 5p off a litre at the pump”.

I think they will offer a free amount of kWh, free duration or a discounted rate. Especially as adoption grows, they can’t essentially let people fuel their cars completely free.

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Very good point but of course for those offers to made there will need to be a massive increase in chargers on site.
Presently there is an exponential growth in PHEV sales, the drivers of which I am convinced will migrate to a BEV next time around, but in the meantime to accommodate them on the present fast chargers could lead to friction.

JLR now looking at hydrogen

https://media.landrover.com/en-us/news/2021/06/jaguar-land-rover-develop-hydrogen-powered-defender-fuel-cell-prototype

That’s about all they can do and no doubt if they can make it through to 2025 they may succeed in producing a £250,000 Land Rover to compete with Bentley and Rolls Royce.
At least that it is the stated aim of today’s CEO.
They can’t afford to develop a BEV platform and without one they will be history.

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They are owned by Tata, I think Tara’s pockets are more than deep enough to fund a little engine development.

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The problem for Jaguar is not engines. It is the lack of an electric platform.

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Did they build the i-pace completely bespoke, could future design be based on that frame or too limiting. Strange that they were eager to build that without thinking about other models if it is only useful for one car.

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No the iPace utilised a cut down F Pace platform, itself a derivative of the XJ, and Thierry Bolloré, the CEO has said that they are presently talking "to a number of partners” with whom they could either develop or share a BEV Platform.

He was also reported to have said that a
permanently and significantly updated IPace SUV will be the only Jaguar to survive into the new generation of models due from 2025, but it will be considered separately to the firm’s new-generation cars.

Many would say the iPace won’t be easy to update because of its use of the present platform which is too heavy.

Of course those new generation models can’t appear without a new platform which would costs billions of someone’s money.

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I’m still unsure why you think this is a barrier for one of the worlds largest companies. This isn’t Tesla or some other startup with cashflow issues, it’s a global corporation, a few billion isn’t going to cause them any cash flow problems

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Because it doesn’t fit a certain narrative which someone seems to need to be filled, regardless of any other thoughts and comments. I’ve given in with this thread totally, as you can’t have a discussion if it doesn’t fit.

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Time for a spin-off topic where we can have a proper discussion :sunglasses: Without bias selective quoting and such.

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As I understand it Tata & Sons ltd, the holding company( worth trillions) is a private company. The corporate structure is based on various trusts and they are mandated to annually spend 85% of their dividend earnings on social welfare projects and not bailing out subsidiaries.

Tata Motors Ltd,( which incorporates JLR) like Tata Steel, is a separately managed subsidiary. In the past Tata Motors Ltd derived most of its income from JLR but that is forecast to decline.
In order for JLR to fund projects they have in the past raised money via bonds but today the cost is prohibitive

The U.K. government have been approached to support investment in JLR, millions has already been provided for such projects as the Engine Manufacturing Centre in Wolverhampton, but unlike today’s announcement of government support for Nissan in Sunderland no word on JLR.

Note all of the above information is in the public domain.

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