Equally we should consider the impending huge depreciation of diesel cars over the next few years.
Presently used car values are benefiting from a lack of new cars resulting from the worldwide chip shortage.
This will be resolved fairly quickly one way or another. Either supply improves or manufacturers do as they are starting to do by reducing some of the chip dependent features.
You may not buy an EV but it is undeniable that the sale of them has reached a tipping point in the U.K. and the sale of used diesel sales will collapse. New diesel cars have already collapsed.
I can see that youâre really passionate about EVs (which is great) but youâre starting to sound like those anti-vaxxers and their âwokeâ messages that they peddle. Everything people have posted are valid concerns, they might not be to you but everyone has different circumstances and needs.
Yes we will get there eventually, yes EVs are good, but letâs not get too giddy just yet. Weâve a long way to go.
You wonât have to wait to discover that the "crisisâ you anticipate has already been addressed.
Batteries that are retired from cars will, if they are not completely depleted, be used in storage batteries.
In the Netherlands it is planned to power the Ajax stadium from battery storage and also elsewhere it is planned to provide power for shops.
Battery manufacturers are intent on using retired batteries to provide energy to produce new batteries, how cool is that. ?
Those that are completely depleted will be ground down and valuable materials will be recovered to be used in new batteries.
I absolutely get that. I wonder if there is value to people writing to local councils to get this higher on their agenda; I am not sure I know how to get councils to start taking this problem seriously.
The chief officer for highways in my council told me that they are obligated to record all such requests so donât hesitate to write to your council if you wish to see more installations.
I had forgotten that you had complained about the lack of public chargers in your area.
This might prove of interest to you, particularly the "Hubâ
" Electrical charging points are still on the Councilâs agenda and we are in discussion with Central Bedfordshire Council about possible funding for improvements in the town centre overall which could perhaps include charging points.
There has also been discussion with CBC about whether the future, as some say, may be privately owned âgaragesâ with charging points (like a petrol station) rather than all charging points being in the public domain. This may be possible if full charging can take place in a relatively short time.
We are also discussing with CBC about the need to ensure that all new housing developments include charging points within the curtilage of each property and, more importantly, that the capacity of the electricity supply is adequate.
(You may be aware that the Government has made available funding to enable an electricity âsuper stationâ to be built in east Biggleswade to try to ensure that there is enough capacity overall as people use electricity more and more.)
Iâm sorry not to be able to tell you more at this stage.â
Lots of talks about forcing manufacturers to be responsible for doing more and how theyâd like to do better but again - weâre a long long way off being sustainable.
Only Nissan seem to be taking it seriously so far but they still havenât finished building their facility and will only cater for batteries from their own models.
You seem surprised but of course you have seen statistics that show that battery degradation is very slow indeed, far slower than is generally thought.
So it will take a few years for Nissan and VW to achieve their stated aims.
Itâs what this country is famous for. Rushing into things without thinking it through and being ill prepared
We then wonder why we get into crisisâs and waste loads of time and money playing catchup.
Itâs not just battery degradation either. But those seemingly endless Tesla autopilot crashes that write off cars (nevermind just normal accidents) - all those batteries are deemed unsafe to be reused.
I assume you are thinking about a 7kW charger when you say large expense. Having had the experience I can confidently say; you would be surprised how little it costs to get an outside socket (13A) fitted, and how much time your car has to charge once you are in the habit of getting home and plugging in immediately.
Couldnât agree more, no thoughts gone into the future. Itâs just another knee jerk reaction, solve a problem now, create something worse years down the line.
All the time the EV naysayers on here, perhaps three or four, find reasons to eschew EVs there are others, business and company car drivers, falling over themselves to acquire one.
Why would that be I wonder ?
Could it be the enormous financial incentives available?
Nobody is a ânaysayerâ so stop being patronising again.
Everyone Iâve seen post in here (myself included) wants one and can see the advantages but youâre choosing not to hear or understand the issues they have which prevent them from getting one. And there are certainly more than 3 or 4 people.
And you and others refuse to accept the solutions to such issues as the ability to charge away from home. Some saying they require extraordinary long range so that a rarely made journey be undertaken without stopping.
I would be interested to know the average journey of these folks.
You insist that the U.K. has not reached a tipping point for EV take up. The business sector provides evidence that it is so.
You ignore the impending huge depreciation of diesel cars which of course is serving to boost EV sales and apparently gainsay the efforts being undertaken by the battery industry to deal with retired traction batteries.
People responded to your proposed solutions and it was of no help to them.
You can try and control the narrative all you want and suppress any âbad pressâ about EVs but constantly repeating the same âtipping pointâ argument to anyone that questions something and cherry picking just one of the many reasons people have mentioned to justify your point doesnât help your cause.
This is supposed to be a nice discussion looking at the pros and cons, but you seem to be taking a lot of this personally and attacking anyone that doesnât agree with you. If people find that EVs are not good for them then thatâs fine. Theyâve answered the question you asked of them (from the topic title) so leave them be.
I wasnât aware that you can charge a car from a standard 13amp socket. Does that take much longer and do you need any kind of special fuses or surge protection or anything?
