An Open Post to Monzo's Senior Management

The pitchfork thing was about a different comment, don’t worry!

And to be honest, there’s two contrasting things at play with where you are positioned right? I want the best experience as a consumer and I want the best return on my investment.

Lots of points raised in this thread about recent decisions looking bad for the future, purely from a consumers point of view, but a lot of those will be made to safeguard the longevity of the business.

Hopefully the people steering HMS Monzo will find the best way to balance the two, and hopefully will come out just as strong. :man_shrugging:t3:

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Look at the Monese tiers. I think monzo could do something similar with increasingly generous limits up to no limits.

https://support.monese.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360006553199-How-much-does-Monese-cost-

I tend to agree with one of the earlier comments, Monzo gave a lot of it’s best stuff away for free. Paying from pots is something that I suspect people would be willing to stump up a small amount for but now it’s free, you can’t easily go back from that.

Ergo the problem of free banking, a lot of other countries charge for just a normal current account.

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Would we though? Its basically giving someone another bank account which every other legacy bank allows you to do for free. I know i definitely wouldnt.

The reason we cant do this at the moment is because monzo have chose to limit it to 1 personal account per person

I think people would, maybe not on it’s own but with some of the other features, e.g. IFTTT and a few of the budget features, you could charge £1 or £2 for and I think you’d get a fair number of takers.

Couldn’t they do what every other bank does and focus on things like loans and mortgages to make money?

Re paid for accounts they can add things like insurance add ons etc free break down all that good stuff that people already pay for else where but would happily pay for in one place.

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You need money to lend out like that, or you need to borrow it out at a cheaper rate and the lend it. Also the insurance stuff, again you want volume to make it worth your while. Obviously the more customers and the more likely you are to sell, the better deals you can get.

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Interest rates are at historic lows at the moment so nows the time to be borrowing to lend it out I would guess? Perhaps they need a bigger balance sheet though due to the regulations brought in after 2008. I don’t know.

Just strikes me that they would do better offering features people already pay for as a paid service.

The reason I didn’t get monzo plus last time was because the only (literary only) thing I could have taken advantage of was a different colour card which seemed pointless. If they offered break down cover, phone insurance (which I currently don’t have) and a few other bits, I would have signed up. Even break down cover would have done it for me.

Could they not do what they do for energy and help people switch car insurance etc and get a kick back too? The amount of data they must have on spending habits etc must make them valuable as a company?

I’m just guessing all this of course… :man_shrugging:

There’s a lot in here, @dragosMLT.
Listening to the Community is one thing - acting on what it’s members suggest or being in any way influenced by them is something very different.

But whilst Monzo may not be actively moving in a direction a group of keen supporters (or investors) want, that doesn’t mean they’ve plumped for “everyone else”.

And the paying thing?

For me, relying on a tiered offering to make the bank a success is a huge risk. If there’s buy-in, it’ll be in small numbers methinks.

Starling don’t rely on it. None of the other UK banks do either. Why would anyone, unless the package you’re paying for is a no-brainer?

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I think youve misconstrued my point.

My point was more i would find it hard to justify paying for the “bills pot” feature as currently its not even as useful as having an extra standalone account for bills which i have with my legacy bank.

I hope I haven’t. In any event I agree with your finer point - I just broadened it to the whole “don’t fancy paying for it” thing.

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Just thought I’d add my 2 pence, as a former forum regular (which accounts for nothing! :joy:)

On the whole “Plus” thing, reading between the lines, it looks like it was going to be catered towards travel quite heavily - Clearly a marketing disaster in the current climate (although it would follow on from the previous Monzo Plus marketing disasters very nicely! :sweat_smile:)

But, if anyone thinks Monzo Plus is going to be great value regardless, I’d suggest looking at the failed attempts of the past 12 months. I’d love to be proved wrong, but I don’t see this incarnation of Monzo Plus to be too dissimilar from the past, failed attempts. Monzo have never been the cheapest with anything, and rely on loyalty and “ease of use” in general.

Completely appreciate many people feel emotionally attached to Monzo, would offer up their own money to “help them out” and would literally buy anything Monzo offered - Kudos to you if you are in such a position to do so. But I suspect that Monzo doesn’t hold such a place in 99% of their customers hearts.

I also personally think it’s absolutely crazy to hold such a position of love for a bank - But everyone is entitled to spend their money on what they want - If that’s giving a bank a hand out, then so be it.

In regards to “listening to the customer/forum”, I used to believe this was the path that Monzo should follow, but in reality, they just need a visionary senior team with the ability to deliver a fantastic product - Something they have fallen short of time and time again in the past 24 months.

The customer is not always right, the customer is usually very wrong. If they’d listened to the forum for Monzo Plus, it would have likely bankrupt them far sooner :joy:

I don’t say the above to stoke up any arguments from the loyalists, but more so as a current Monzo user who uses them as their main bank, yet feels incredibly disappointed with the direction of the last 2 years.

No one will come out of the Covid situation particularly well, but I do feel Monzo will come out worse than others. I’m clearly not read in on their financial situation, but the decisions they’ve made during this time seem to compound the bad decisions of the past.

Regardless of what is happening in the world, you never really want to be worried about your bank, it’s one of those things you need to be secure and safe. Something, that I’m not sure I feel with Monzo, despite the FSCS protection.

Despite all that, if you don’t read the news and ignore the forum, the core App/service works fine.

I say “fine”, because sometimes it’s slow to update your balance, the merchant data is incorrect and you can’t find the “contact” button because it was hidden… When you do need to contact them, the service would appear to be particularly slow and poor (based on the evidence of this forum at least).

So, to come full circle back to the original post… I disagree with pretty much all of it, and sorry OP, but I personally feel what you want is a start up who can share every little detail with their core 500 customers who have been along with them for the journey from the start.

Replace “Monzo” with “Barclays” and you’d see how bonkers it sounds.

The “community” was left behind quite a long time ago. Having a quick scan of it now compared with a year or 2 ago, and you can see an absolute world of difference.

Senior team used to post regularly, they’d be active on social media and it would be semi transparent at least. Now… nothing.

The forum is now more of a place to simply discuss FinTech (in between being used as an alternative for Google), and that’s great for some, but it’s not the Monzo scene it once was.

Anyway, hope everyone is well during these times! :grin:

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Firstly great summary of 140 odd posts :laughing: I have to ask though, why do you feel monzo is unsafe despite the FSCS protection?

I suspect not many of us ever actually used FSCS to recover money from a failed bank and are not familiar with the process. Even though I’m confident you will recover your money eventually, it could still cause a lot of issues to lose access to your money for a few weeks unless you have more of it in an instant access savings account, especially in these difficult times.

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I agree, but they aim for seven days after date of failing :+1:

For the record, this is all personal feeling, so please take with all the pinches of salt in the world. :sweat_smile:

Actually, there have been a few “good” news stories in the banking world (if you can call it that), with the likes of Barclays, Lloyds and HSBC halting their planned job cuts.

Though, despite the previous good feeling towards Monzo, they’ve not shined very bright at all at a time I would have expected them to step up in a big way.

Probably, because they have business to run, but that has always been the case - I guess it’s a little sobering to see the results of a bank that has struggled to monetise its products.

Regarding the FSCS protection - Like Andre says, I’m confident I’d get my money back, but I can’t imagine it would be a smooth, stress free process.

I think it would be a bit of a nightmare!

Note - The point is…I shouldn’t need to even think of that (and I appreciate not everyone will be thinking of this).

Compare that with the other banks, and I wouldn’t be concerned if I had a Barclays, Nationwide, Lloyds or HSBC account - Even if they had to make 1000’s of redundancies - The thought they might go bust would never occur to me (naively, perhaps).

Every time I see those banks in the news, I (perhaps wrongfully), figure it’s a tiny percentage of the overall company.

I’ll be brutally honest, Monzo is still my main bank because Barclays either needed my wife to go into branch to add her to my account, or she needed to open a Barclays account online before we could change my account into a joint one.

Which, ironically, is the reason I’m with Monzo - The fact you can do everything from an app, with no need for branches and desktops is the single factor that pushed me to an app based bank.

That being said, it’s a balancing act, and I no longer feel Monzo is suitable for my personal situation. The longer I’ve spent with a “FinTech”, the more I’ve realised that my very basic needs are catered for with a legacy/high street bank, with the added bonus of having a competent customer service team and a lack of concern over the direction of the bank.

I’ve said all along that Monzo (and other FinTechs) will need to innovate quickly in order to “stay ahead of the competition”. I was always told (by staff) that their fleet of foot and ability to roll out updates would keep them ahead of the, to coin a phrase from an old forum user here, “legacy rust”.

What I’ve actually seen over the past 2 years, is the High Street banks close the gap in quite a dramatic way. Better apps, sleeker processes, instant notifications in some case.

So yeah, perhaps a little more than you wanted, but just thought I’d add some context.

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Pedantic, sure. But they are not halting, they are pausing. These mass job cuts are still going to happen and probably on a larger scale than originally planned.

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Yep. This sums up my thoughts.

As to whether or not we’ll need the FSCS protection, I doubt that Monzo will ‘fail’ as such. I suspect that the worst that could happen is that we find that the branding might change to ‘Monzo by Barclays’ or some such.

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This is the main point for me also, what got me to love monzo and frequent this forum so much was they were always innovating and pushing the boundaries.

The pace has massively slowed since the push for plus/us/business accounts. My legacy now almost matches monzo for features which is crazy to think.

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It means stop doesn’t it?

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