What features in a Monzo app would you be willing to pay for?

I’m slowly moving everything across from a Santander 123 Lite account where I am charged £2 a month but get more than that back in cashback hence its worthwhile to do so. I don’t have a tonne of savings (or any, really) so interest bearing accounts wouldn’t really help in my current situation.

If Monzo were doing that for me, I’d happily pay that £2 to them, for the benefits I get back.

However, I’m happy to pay nothing, retain current functionality, and they don’t have to pay me cashback or interest on my balance.

The other bank I recently banked with was halifax and they packaged some worthwhile stuff in to their Ultimate Reward package, I might have been tempted if I wasn’t covered elsewhere for a lot of the stuff.

Virtual cards with a limitation in usage for free, that I can lock when not using it, and set a limit.

And single usage virtual cards for a small fee maybe.

I don’t think a service can be locked until you pay, you need to give a reduced range of the benefits for free nowadays, and people start paying when they want more.

And vital services should stays free.

You don’t need virtual cards. You are protected against fraud with a normal card. Or am I missing something?

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Helps with limitation of fraud on web depending on how it was used, would facilitate payment from pots, could assist with ensuring CPAs don’t keep charging you or get affected by cars replacement. I’m sure there are other uses too

It will always be better to prevent the fraud instead of having to contact the bank when it happens. I have better to do with my life :slight_smile:

Also sometimes it’s not a fraud but a dispute with a provider. Better to not give them a chance to charge without your approval. I can’t trust my hot water provider at all.

I don’t know. If they make a contribution of a few quid a month, it’s their own choice. If they are happy to get a different card as a reward for that, but to know they are supporting the development of features etc, then let them.

I sometimes feel like I should be paying for monzo. The features are insane and I feel bad that I totally benefit from the features without having to spend a penny to access them. Call me too nice… too British :joy:

I guess it comes back to Monzo’s eco system - they have customers on side who become brand champions. I don’t feel like this with any other company… maybe I’m part of the cult :joy:

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Your cold water provider is fine though? :laughing:

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Hey all. I wanted to chip in some thoughts here. I’m not on the Plus team as I have enough to do with Open Banking but I do have some opinions on what I’d pay for myself.

We are both, and they aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact, I think Monzo relates much more closely in the way it operates to product companies like Deliveroo, Tinder, Skyscanner, Stripe, Spotify etc. We are backed by venture capital.

Why is this, exactly? What makes Monzo different to other software you use? Given that Monzo don’t make money in many of the ways a traditional bank does (with extortionate fees), I wouldn’t instinctively expect people to hold strong views like this. So if you could elaborate a little bit on this, it might help me to understand!

I don’t think we’d ever take essential features in the app and put them behind a paywall - we want our features to reach as many people as possible. I’d imagine that our core product will always be orders of magnitude better than any other bank out there. This is why I don’t agree with the idea that non-paying customers would be getting a “second tier” banking experience. In my head I imagine that the paid features will be designed for a specific group of customers who want more than a typical customer does out of their banking app.

Equally I don’t think this is true. There can be many reasons why we add features to the app, for example to encourage growth (e.g. Shared Tabs, bill splitting, golden tickets), encourage people to deposit their salary (e.g. get paid early, salary sorter), or to become a financial hub (e.g. Flux, external credit cards). In my view it would make almost no sense to make many of these features “paid for” features and this will remain true of lots of features we introduce in the future.

We can (and do) do both. In the future I would hope that Open Banking and Marketplace provide significant revenue opportunities, but for now the whole Open Banking/marketplace concept is still in its infancy and it’s going to take a lot of time until our efforts would start to pay off.

:rocket:A good analogy here would be Elon Musk and SpaceX. Elon’s goal is to go to Mars, but he realised that he needed to make SpaceX financially viable entity if he’s ever going to achieve the ultimate vision. Mars could one day be very profitable for SpaceX. But the technology is just too immature at the moment. For that reason, they are looking at ways they can be very impactful in the short term and make a profit while doing it. Their interim solution is good for their customers (who pay orders of magnitude less to launch satellites now) and it’s good for them too.

Again, I don’t think these two things are mutually exclusive. We can continue to improve our core banking functionality and work on value-added features at the same time. In fact, I would argue that would be the most sensible approach.

Other banks make some of their revenue from lending, but for Monzo, it’s less than you’re implying. A huge part of other banks’ revenue comes from extortionate and unfair fees and charges. Monzo doesn’t do that. In my view it is far, far better to ask customers to pay for an additional optional feature they’re going to get true value from than to sneakily charge them when they least expect it.

I am sure the Plus team will provide this clarity as soon as they have evaluated all the options.

I think it’s fine that some people don’t want to pay for optional extra features. I might not myself. Some people will look at them and think “I just don’t need that”. That’s OK.

Ultimately, if we all want Monzo to reach its potential, then it has to become financially self-sustaining. This means making revenue. This is why it’s so important that we can try things out and that we all keep an open mind about it. Sometimes it won’t work and we’ll be very clear about that, and try again until we find something that does work. If we build something that nobody is willing to pay for, then clearly that would be a failure. There is a strong incentive for us to get it right and to make customers happy with the result.

By allowing ourselves to charge money for new features, we open up a whole new world of possible things to build that we previously couldn’t because they were too expensive to make or maintain. So I’m personally quite excited about what we could see arriving in the Monzo app in the future.

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I think this is the main issue. When it’s mentioned that features might be put behind a paywall people are presuming it’s things that have already been mentioned as things that will be added or improved in the future eg custom categories, better budgeting, payee management etc

Unfortunately until we know what exactly the features are it’s difficult not to be very uneasy about the concept

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Agreed, I can definitely see why people feel uneasy about it. It’s uncharted territory. I hope my post above explains why, in principle, charging for some features when done correctly can be a good thing and therefore we just need to keep an open mind about it all, rather than rejecting the concept outright.

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But other banks have very expensive branches to pay for. In a very simplistic view, they cancel each other out.

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I was just thinking that myself. Also, it’s not right to make a blanket statement about Monzo not charging “extortionate” fees. I won’t include the foreign ATM fees in this as I don’t think they’re “extortionate” but I do think the cash deposit fee is.

  • Here you go, £20 for your birthday.
  • Aw, thanks! I’ll stick that in my Monzo account. Wonder what I should spend my £19 on?
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Well yes, Monzo is a bank that also makes software, but primarily Monzo is a bank, to me anyway. You, and others may disagree. I said that because you’re not an independent software developer, I happily pay independents for their software e.g. apps like Overcast, PCalc, Dark Noise, iA Writer etc.

But for me, I am very unlikely to want to pay Monzo for software functionality. Indeed, I can’t think of any software features I would pay Monzo for - perhaps somebody else can think of some?

Monzo also has a dramatically lower cost base than the traditional banks. Monzo doesn’t have a highly expensive branch network. Monzo doesn’t have an antiquated, and expensive to maintain, IT system. As for why I wouldn’t instinctively pay a bank for software features, I’m not sure I can clearly articulate it right now - but subscription based banking simply doesn’t sit well with me. Especially for zero/very little marginal cost products.

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Great response which clarifies a lot of the thinking behind plus. Thank you for taking the time - this sort of open communication with customers is why I love Monzo.

I get the impression plus is a way to make money now, whereas a lot of things customers want from you would take longer to build and provide money later. Sometimes tradeoffs need to be made, and sometimes you can’t keep all customers happy, which is fine.

I hope the new plus works out, but I do think the visceral reaction of many customers to monzo trying to sell features (as opposed to financial products), is worth noting. I had the same feeling about selling exclusive access to monzo events or selling better customer support - selling features feels to me like the wrong direction of travel on a level which is hard to articulate.

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Fair enough you this this but I see monzo solely as my bank, and expect a very different experience compared to a Spotify subscription. Spotify has a very clear product and are selling that product, that’s fair enough.

I don’t see you as just software, you are my bank and will always be compared to the bricks and mortar banks. It’s an emotional viewpoint people have with their money. You are a bank first, who happens to have good software at the minute.

Monzo hold quite a lot of my money and uses that money to lend to others to make more money for themselves. Therefore I think all aspects of the app should be available to me free of charge.

If monzo wants to sell me additional products which aren’t unlocking parts of the app that’s fair enough in my mind. The reason I chose to move to monzo was the app, if it had a freemium model I’d never have become a customer. I think this is the way future potential customers will think too when comparing their options.

Different people will see different features as essential. I didn’t think instant notifications would be essential until I had them. Who knows what new features we’d feel the same about. Same goes for the term “advanced budgeting features”

How could it be anything but second tier? The paying plus customers would be expecting something first tier. Leaving the rest with a second grade offering.

Then continue with a free app which is constantly pushing the boundaries and you will get the customers to make this even bigger earner for you combined with selling things which aren’t your (Monzo’s) app.

Agreed but I really believe a freemium model is going to be the wrong way to go.

Yep, we’ve seen this with the previous plus attempts, I think most of us are trying to stop it happening a third time with their comments relating to this.

If this is the only way monzo can make enough money to do this then I think it’s doomed.

Ps. I love Monzo, and I want to keep loving monzo, but this sort of talk relating to hiding parts of the app behind a pay wall will slowly make me resent using it if it comes to pass.

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I might be willing to pay for extra budgeting & analysis features, especially if they incorporated account aggregation, rather than just focused on my Monzo account.

However it wouldn’t be a lot. It would perhaps be £2.50/month max. For reference, Emma Pro is £3.50/month and I’m reluctant to pay that.

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The key point here is to compare like with like. Monzo’s product does not resemble Microsoft Office or Spotify. Monzo’s product is much closer to those provided by high street banks. How much do they charge? Well, they all offer free accounts, and several offer cashback and/or interest. There are many comparisons I could draw which already show that Monzo is expensive. Starling would be the easiest one to draw: if I banked with them I’d earn £20/year in interest. I was earning about £60/year in Amex cashback. I could probably earn quite a bit with Santander 123.

If Monzo create something that, when compared with other offerings on the market, looks like to be worthy of a monthly subscription fee, fine. Crack on and charge for it. Unfortunately, I suspect some cynicism has crept into your user base after the Plus and Plus Supporter debacles. Monzo doesn’t have a great track record of providing genuinely useful adds ons or pricing them reasonably.

Also, given how quickly the competition is catching you up, I’d be weary of charging for anything that the high street banks may end up offering for free.

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@kieranmch

I’ve never really thought of Monzo as TechFin, more FinTech. If that really is the focus then that’s interesting.

I assume Monzo will be the first bank to actively try this route. I can’t imagine everyone will understand this though being the first out of the box, so there’ll be a hell of a lot more explaining to do.

Thanks for your thoughts though. Very insightful.

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Looks like Monzo has a fundamentally different view of itself than its customers do - not a good place to start and frankly, the recent track record is disappointing (in polite terms).

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I guess the reason this is making me nervous is that up until now, every revenue source for Monzo has been transactional. It was clear which services were built in order to generate revenue and customers could simply choose whether to pay for those or not.

Even with the first version of Plus it was pretty clear that you were bolting services on and the cost of that was covered by the fee.

But if Monzo’s going to start charging for features as part of a bundle, then there’s a risk that you’ll end up deciding to simply paywall something that could meaningfully improve a lot of people’s financial wellbeing, in order to make money. And I’m not sure how you’ll make the decision making process, which is potentially quite opaque, transparent.

Monzo’s always been inclusive, rather than exclusive, which is my main issue with Plus. And that seems particularly at risk here.

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