Also why would you require citations from someone saying a degree is required for a lot of jobs (certainly been the case in my experience) but then happily use personal experiences to counter an argument earlier? Be consistent.
We can do a quick search on Indeed and find opportunities like this:
This is an ideal opportunity for a junior developer looking to expand their commercial experience using Python. You will be enthusiastic, self-motivated, open-minded and have:
Experience of developing web applications using Python or PHP
An understanding of PostgreSQL or MySQL
A good understanding of version control, preferably Git and GitHub
This is clearly a junior job and the salary (“20-32k, and up to 40k for London”) isn’t that great from a software engineer’s perspective, but it’s definitely an upgrade for someone stuck on minimum wage, and most importantly will give them hands-on experience they can take to their next job and negotiate a better pay check.
Honestly I’m rather surprised that people think moving from one job to another is quite so easy and matter of fact.
it definitely depends on the location, in some horrible places where there is no industry and everyone is desperate it’s definitely hard (also because employers know they can be picky and have crazy requirements and/or low salaries, something they can’t get away with if the job market is healthy) but moving is an option which I always recommend.
I remember being rejected from McDonald’s (!!) as a student for part time work.
Shit happens. We don’t talk about it but rejections are a normal part of job searching (and frankly a normal part of life - this also applies to love, friendships, etc). I remember being rejected despite nailing the tech interview - turns out the CEO (meeting with him is the last part of the interview process) seemed to have had a bad day and we just didn’t get along that time. But in a healthy job market there should be plenty of other opportunities for you and in fact you should always have a few going at the same time so you have backup plans if one doesn’t work out.
I see a lot of theoretical debate here, but it’s not reflecting in reality for a good chunk of the country.
I know a lot of places where there just isn’t any industry to work for. I mean, do you really want to have a law forcing companies to open premises in awful boring towns just to give people jobs? But moving is an option. If you’re broke you can still borrow from friends/family/credit card/etc. I’d like to see this “reality”; so far my personal experiences have always been with people who don’t want to make the necessary compromises and expect everything to be handed to them on a plate for free. Sorry, life isn’t fair. Deal with it.
It’s unsurprisingly often those who can afford to have such statements.
I guess because these people have more experience how businesses work behind the scenes, and know that it’s a false “solution” that will just end up making things worse, either by raising prices (everyone is worse off as a result) or eliminating jobs completely (not that I’m against that - mind-numbing manual work is akin to slavery IMO and should be automated away).
It’s all subjective, but I think if you want good money you should do a good job, if you don’t do a good job you don’t earn good money.
Totally agreed. If you deliver value people will pay you for it. If you don’t… then what did you expect? It’s your responsibility to take the steps necessary (learning, moving, buying the tools needed for the job, etc) to make sure you can deliver value and get closer to your potential customers (employers in this case).
I have to take issue that amount earned is linked to amount or effort worked. Many of our public servants work extremely hard in life threatening situations for below or just on average wages.
Agreed but I see this as a failure of these people who accept such conditions. Employers can afford to pay that low for such work because the market will take it. If these people do the necessary steps and move away from such careers, the pool of candidates will dry up and employers will have to pay more if they want to hire anyone for these positions.