That was exactly why I chose them as an example. Their effort has been poor, but STILL leaps and bounds ahead of Monzo.
Monzo have hardly done anything. Something which I would expect from them, as a company which early on spoke out a lot about social justice.
But a BLM icon would solve all this? Something nobody is going to see anyway?
Practical Support for the movement > A new icon
Do you think an icon which people have to actively go and find in their settings, which will then only even be seen by themselves is a solution? Why are you fighting for this, when you could be asking for more? At the moment it just sounds like whining because the gays got an icon and I didnāt.
Why is it so hard to understand that I want to change my icon, which is literally a symbol, to a symbol of a movement I support which expresses a facet of my personality.
Which is the same purpose of the LGBTQ icon? The only difference I can see is that itās more acceptable to dismiss āblack lives matterā.
You even insulted gays earlier in the thread which you went back and edited. You seem to have a problem with the LGBT community.
Not a single person in this thread have said they do not support Black Lives Matter. All people are doing is asking why you want a token gesture as opposed to something bigger. Donāt you deserve more?
Excuse me? That was a complete accident / colloquial slur that had nothing to do with it. Which I apologised for after looking up.
If youād like to discuss that further then feel free to DM me.
Not a single person in this thread have said they do not support Black Lives Matter. All people are doing is asking why you want a token gesture as opposed to something bigger. Donāt you deserve more?
The icon is configurable and already has a Pride option.
If Monzo make something configurable, then no one should be surprised when people ask for configuration options.
Iām struggling to understand. Are you guys arguing against the existing feature? Feel free to start a thread for that.
This thread is about an existing and currently maintained feature being updated.
I knew full well Iād be accused of shutting down conversation! Quite the opposite, Iām just saying that I inherently hold the voices of people directly effected by BLM above my own on this thread. And if anyone doesnāt agree with that then maybe they should question what theyāre trying to achieve here.
So do you too think making icon is all that needs to be done? Genuinely interested, not a trick question 
I donāt think itās all that needs into be done, but making an icon isnāt a bad thing. In fact i think it commits Monzo to doing more about BLM in future.
Would not that be the virtue signalling that we are all os against of?
Meaning, an icon achieves nothing, does not change or benefit the cause that we are trying to defend here (yes, we)
Working for an organisation that has actively supported the BLM movement (and, unfortunately, has seen the customer backlash for it), I truly believe that, if they really want to do something to support the movement, the best way is to support the movement by āeducatingā people (maybe the wrong word), and offering resources and information on what the movement is about, what it stands for, things that we might do against POC without even realising because it is embedded in society, and more importantly how to change it.
Creating an icon that will be buried within the app wonāt make a difference to the movement, and whilst I see how the precedent was created by designing a pride icon, I think that just creating the icon, would be virtue signalling.
= Homophobia is ok so long as itās casual homophobia.
Thatās not what heās saying. He apologised and edited the post. Iām deeply uncomfortable with continuing to attack someone over perceived faults when theyāve apologised. We should want people to learn and change, but continually attacking them denies any opportunity for change, which isnāt really fair.
Yes he apologized for what the said. I wasnāt attacking what was said. I was āattackingā the apology (read justification).
Justifying homophobia as it only being casual homophobia is no better than justifying racism if itās only casual racism.
I didnāt see what the original phrase was but I took the apology post to mean āI didnāt know it was a slur, Iām sorry I accidentally used oneā.
It was ālimp-wristedā as in āsomeone wrote a limp-wristed tweet and the pride logo was changedā (ironically to include colours supporting people of colour).
Can we avoid ad hominum here? The guy apologised, donāt discredit his argument (or derail the conversation) because of a mistake the person made.
Definitely agree with this point of view and the arguments you make. I just believe that a BLM logo can be a stepping stone on that process. There should also be further campaigning presumably through social media, but a BLM logo can be a step in that process - and I personally donāt think it is counterproductive for Monzo to create one.
This looks like itās becoming a set of people sniping at one another at the moment so Iām going to close it for a bit to see if it all cools down.
The suggestion is made and (when the thread is open again) it can be voted on. The ongoing discussion has no impact on the likelihood of this (or anything else) ever actually happening.
For those of you involved in this original discussion, weāre revisiting this topic here: