This is the only bit that sort of deters me from doing it as it isn’t then really linked to how much you borrowed but how much inflation/ house prices increase.
It just becomes a bit messy if in 5 years you want to pay of say the £20k you borrowed and its suddenly £25k+.
Also, for anyone reading and thinking about doing it (or already part way though), it might be a good idea to time the end of the 5 years with the end of your mortgage product.
Ultimately, when you come to pay it off, you’ll be taking out another mortgage effectively (you can’t simply “add” to your existing account).
If you opt for a mortgage with a fee (which makes sense, because the interest rates are so low, you might as well just add the fee to the mortgage), you’ll end up paying the fee only once (even though you have 2 mortgages), providing they are done at the same time.
This means you’ll need to do a 2 year mortgage followed by a 3 year one (or the other way around).
If you do a 2 year followed by another 2 year, followed by another 2 year, you’ll end up either having to take a new mortgage out half way through that last term - Or you’ll pay the interest on the HtB portion (which you don’t want to do).
Alternatively, you can pay off the HtB after year 4.
You’ll forfeit a years worth of interest free, but ultimately, if your house price increases anyway, the chances are you’ll have to pay more back due to the 20%, than you would do on the interest in year 5 (assuming you paid off the HtB).
That probably makes no sense to people… I am in the throws of sorting it out myself, so it’s all fresh in the mind!
I definitely see the benefits, its just sort of throwing caution to the wind on the house price increase. No doubt the RICS guys who value for HtB will value on the higher end so no love gained there.
Like for example, over the last 5 years over the whole of the UK it looks like house prices have increased by 30% - so it isn’t an inconsequential amount of money - and that’s if you pay it off before the interest starts to accrue.
I might just need to look into the numbers a bit more when I get round to looking at buying a property - for me I think it would just expedite the process rather than me sitting and waiting to amass the deposit.
But thanks for your insights - I think its much more helpful to get personal opinions on stuff like this.
Thinking about it more, I think its mainly designed to be used to buy a first house, sit on it for a few years and then flip or change product, otherwise you’d lose a significant amount of money in the equity if you held on to it for the life of say a 25 year mortgage.
I sold my house that was purchased on the HtB scheme 2 weeks ago. Everything that has been said above is accurate.
I had my house for 5 years when I came to sell it and the RICS valuation valued it at the same price that I paid for it. So they got back what they lent me I guess it depends on how long you plan on being there and what the market is like, but I didn’t expect to make any profit.
You pick a RICS valuation person and arrange it yourself, so I suppose you could try another one if you get a low valuation?
This is true also. RICS was £250 for me and the solicitor fees you would be paying anyway because no doubt they will be handling the purchase of your new property so you can get a “package deal” kind of thing.
After all of this I still had paid plenty of equity but be warned the payback process for the HtB scheme is lengthy.
If you want to know anything else just let me know
I thought if you sold it, you just paid 20% of the sale price?
Also, if you aren’t selling, but adding the 20% to your mortgage (so you own the house outright), you’ll want a low RICS valuation, as this determines the 20% you need to pay back.
Here is the redemption process. It’s quite simple but takes a lot of time for them to process each step.
In step 1 of the table it says the following:
In the case of a house sale the repayment sum is based on the market valuation or the
sales price (the higher of the two). You must be able to clear any arrears on the account
by the defined completion date or liaise with us directly to arrange payment. You will be
required to pay any interest payments due from the last payment made to the agree
completion date.
I think @michaelw90 is doing what I’m doing, and adding the HtB loan onto the mortgage because the interest payments on the HtB loan in year 6 onwards, are interest only payments (you never clear the 20%).
No you pay back 20% (up to 40% if living in london) of the current market value as determined by your RCIS valuation. This means that they can end up getting paid back less money than they borrowed to you if your house gets a valuation of less than you originally purchased. Source: https://www.helptobuy.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/Help-to-Buy-Buyers-Guide-Feb-2018-FINAL.pdf page 17
I haven’t got time to read your document but I did notice that it is from 2018. So perhaps it has changed recently? but like I said when I bought mine 5 years ago those were the terms and the document I linked to is what I used 2 weeks ago to pay mine off when I sold my house. This too is available on the HtB website.
Either way. I personally think that after buying your first house you should be looking to move up the ladder in 5 or 6 years and I doubt your valuation will have changed much. It was a great help to for me and I’d recommend the scheme to anyone
The document you link to says the following “The repayment amount you will be required to pay is calculated as a proportion (percentage) of either the current market value or the agreed sale price of your home”. This is slightly different to what you said originally.
I’m stressing the point because the subtle nuances of the scheme are important for people to understand so they can make an informed choice
This is correct now, but wasn’t always true. Before the HTB administrator for my region changed the minimum you could repay was the amount you originally borrowed. When I looked at repaying 50% of my HTB equity loan in 2016 this was the case.
It seems now the repayment amount is wholly dependent on the valuation of the property regardless of what was initially borrowed to at the point of purchase. Which sounds like good news!
What I’ll be interested to see is if someone like me who signed up when there was a floor to the repayment is expected to stick to those terms (in the event that prices plummet). For example - people who sign up now have a £1 monthly fee from the start of the loan. I don’t have that…