Waiting 5-10 yrs 
Using leasing.com thereās Up!s from Ā£135
Ā£200 gets a Corsa 
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I was going to say exactly the same thing. Right now, itās hard to get an EV for the same price as a petrol/diesel car. But give it a few more years and the price of EVās will come down as manufacturing processes are optimised for EV production and lower spec cars are finally produced.
I said if you get a new car on a lease every three years, then if youāre about to get one now, it wont be competitive to switch over (especially if you donāt actually do many miles so you wont get too much benefit over the cheaper charge rate) but when youāre looking for your NEXT new car in 3 years - then there will be quite a few options.
And I say this as a pretty fanatical EV supporter. My current car is a petrol one, got 2 years left on the loan I took out to buy it. When I replace that, it almost definitely will be with an EV - but even in 2-3 years time Iām not sure if Iāll be able to afford it. Annoyingly (for people like me), EVās keep their value really well - so the 2nd hand market still sees them being sold for near to their original price - no ālose Ā£10k as soon as you drive off the forecourtā.
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Iām surprised theyāre not doing this already. Surely they could take out 1 pump at a forecourt and replace it with the most powerful fast charger possible?
I think if they started slowly transitioning petrol stations to electric charging stations that it would start to increase peopleās confidence to switch. It certainly would for me.
This may be the aim of some companies, but I would caution that before theory is tested by reality, it may be a little soon to tell.
Timing matters, no doubt. Replace a pump too soon and youāll probably see customer kickback like supermarkets did when they first started ripping out manned tills in order to fit in self-service machines. There may also be a bike lane effect, in people moaning about having to queue longer for petrol while the electric charger sits there empty.
Petrol station layouts are also a factor - ripping out one pump actually rips out two, Iāve just realised, as pumps are doubled up serving cars either side. Then if you have a car charging for a little longer, and a large car using the pump opposite (or a normal car parked badly), other drivers wonāt be able to get past to use the pump in front/leave the petrol station.
Rather, I think, larger petrol stations will put chargers in their parking bays or elsewhere on their sites not in the way of the petrol pumps, while the rest will wait for the right tipping point before they start ripping out and replacing petrol pumps and reconfiguring their layouts.
If I had to pick a year out of a hat - given 2030 as the deadline, I think it may be 2025 at the earliest before we see big changes in petrol stations.
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Are you sure that you would be able to replace your present car every three years for Ā£129 ?
Lease costs are largely determined by the predicted depreciation of the vehicle and it is expected that depreciation of all ICE vehicles will increase very considerably over the coming years.
I think that the big oil companies will have a clear plan to install chargers over the coming years.
It may be that they will continue to install ultra rapid chargers as they are at present for the foreseeable future. The least disruption is achieved and at the same time EV owners will have their needs met.
I suspect that they will ignore the pleas of non EV owners who are demanding the infrastructure of fast chargers be in place before they they transition from ICE
Your second paragraph contradicts your first.
So they have big plans for getting the infrastructure in place already and are therefore satisfying the requirements of non-ev owners? Iām glad they listened, itās much needed.
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Iād say we donāt even need every existing fuel station to do that - maybe just the ones that are in those places where people stop because theyāre making long journeys (ie motorway service stations).
What we need is for a lot more general Car Parks to get slower chargers installed on a much larger scale where people park their car longer normally anyway. Around my city (Exeter) thereās 3 Park and Ride carparks.- none of which have chargers in them.
And for carparks to do that, we also need them to not just install a ātokenā 2 chargers to tick the āHey - weāre environmentally friendly!ā box but for carparks to be laid out to provide as many chargers as possible so that thereās no conflict between ICE cars using a āchargingā parking space - every space is just for any car and they just happen to have a charger available if you need it.
And yes - this is possible. Amazon have recently installed hundreds of chargers at their depot just outside of the city to switch their delivery fleet over to EV vans.
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That would be cool and I guess itās more cost effective to have lots of slower ones rather than a couple of rapid ones?
Charging ālittle and oftenā rather than having to go find a rare rapid charger, as well as something to do while it charges makes the whole EV charging fiasco more attractive.
I assume itās not like a mobile phone battery (for example) whereby doing lots of little charges harms the longevity of the battery? Itās advised with phones that the battery is almost completely depleted before charging it fully again.
Trickle chargers are much kinder from a national power supply perspective because there are fewer peaks and troughs - thatās the main point.
With regards cost effectiveness, slow chargers will be cheaper individually but youād need more of them - I donāt know how the relative cost works out.
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Iāll just reiterate my previous point, that the roll out of charging infrastructure appears to be tracking quite well with adoption. Clearly at the moment it does not make financial sense for a forecourt to convert a pump to an electric charge point as there are not enough EVs on the road yet.
Its a chicken-egg thing that will eventually reach a tipping point where there are enough EVs on the road (maybe 1 in 10 cars) for it to be perfectly financially reasonable to replace pumps.
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Still toying with getting a VW ID3 when my car is due to be changed in October 2022.
I mostly do short journeys so will be able to charge at home overnight. Two people on my road have electric cars, seeing lots more about.
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Congratulations 
Were you able to discuss EVs and the ID3 with your neighbours before deciding to buy your own 
They have for a couple years, but its London centric atm.
BP have been putting in 150kW on forecourts but its already kinda outdated.
These are obviously still car parking spaces.
https://bpchargemaster.com/pulse-150/
Itāll be another 5 years I reckon before we see the pumps where you drive in and out been replaced.
Nearly all vehicles at are still 400-volt with 50 kW or 100 kW max limits. In reality these are peak too, so the average a bit less.
We need to see more 800-volt battery systems in the mainstream that can take 200 kW +
Basically the higher voltage system allows a lower current to be used when charging the battery, which reduces overheating and allows better power retention.
This is why Iām hyped about the Ioniq 5, Hyundai is leaving the competition in the dust.
Itāll be interesting to see what can make use of the full 350 kW first
No but my brother is a car expert and he agreed with me that Iād be suitable for an electric car.
Obviously if nothing changes in my life before next year Iām 99% decided.
Also be interesting if by the time we have 400 kW / 500 kW charging stations being installed by the time vehicle makers release them.
Repsol are working with Ibil in Europe to test out 400 kW.
The network also includes the first two ultra-fast charging points on the Iberian Peninsula, installed during 2019 at Repsol service stations in Lopidana (Ćlava) and Ugaldebieta (Bizkaia). These charging points enable recharging of the vehicle batteries that support this technology in five to ten minutes, similar to the time needed for conventional refueling. Each of the four charging points at these installations is capable of delivering up to between 350 kW and 400 kW.
I did see an article earlier this year about 500 kW but itās all just science experiments atm.
I believe EVs will "appealā far more when the motor trade get behind them.
Presently the viability of many car dealerships are heavily dependent on the sale and servicing of ICE vehicles.
The level of staff ignorance about EVs, charging etc is appalling. Perhaps not too surprising because they are not motivated to inform themselves anymore than the general public is.
Of course when everyone is informed it will be realised that all the discussion today about the pace of installation of the charging infrastructure will be seen as being borne largely out of ignorance.
Whoever it is that flagged this post should have the curtesy to explain why.
I have expressed my personal opinion and if yours is contrary to mine then you should have the courage of your conviction and debate it rather than to censor mine.
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Honestly Iām surprised they are doing as much as they already do. I mean they are oil companies. Not only are they not making anything like the same profit off an EV charge on the forecourt as they do a petrol refill, but they also sit at the front of a multi trillion dollar infrastructure supporting oil production and delivery.
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Would you reply if they did?
Looking at your history, anyone who does question something you post you ignore. More specifically when I came forward and admitted why I flagged your last post that was a getting too personal you ignored that too. No correction, clarification, apology or anything.
So with that in mind itās not really surprising why people wonāt engage with you.
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I believe EVs will "appealā far more when the motor trade get behind them.
Presently the viability of many car dealerships are heavily dependent on the sale and servicing of ICE vehicles.
The level of staff ignorance about EVs, charging etc is appalling. Perhaps not too surprising because they are not motivated to inform themselves anymore than the general public is.
Of course when everyone is informed it will be realised that all the discussion today about the pace of installation of the charging infrastructure will be seen as being borne largely out of ignorance
Perfectly happy to debate it with you, the floor is yours.