I would agree generally if you live in an urban area - but when you are out in the ruruals like myself I rely on my car every day and cover 60 miles a day.
But yes I agree current electric cars fall down on range so hybrids are going to be the way to go for most.
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The thing is [plug-in] hybrids like the 330e are actually crap for range for people in rural areas, most have a real electric only range of 20miles in decent weather and gentle driving, worse case about 10miles.
They are excellent if 80% of your driving involves popping to the shops and going into town thatās close by, and the rest driving on a couple of B roads.
If 80% driving on motorways and be sensible youāll be lucky with 40mpg.
I was very tempted to get a Mitsubishi PHEV before reading up on it.
Those tiny batteries also take hours to charge plugged in with no DC so itās a slow 3.7kw AC.
So many people have said something similar but once they committed to electric they have made it work for them because there is a solution to suit their needs. Often after starting with a PHEV.
I think your confusing types of hybrids there. The principle behind a hybrid is not to run on the battery, the battery is to store energy for the electric motors. The electric motors kick in at optimal points to support the ICE eg when starting off or sudden acceleration. Motors have maximum torque from the outset, so push the car and thus the ICE uses less fuel.
The PHEVs just take the principle further by using bigger batteries that can run the car for a short distance on the batteries alone. Itās kinda of a gimmick through unless you really can do back and forth on the battery power.
Also having owned and still own a hybrid vehicle, at motorway speeds the motors are used so the mpg does not plummet. My car will sit at 70 with the engine at 1500 rpm. So on a motorway I can get 58-60 mpg.
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Sorry yes I was just late commenting on PHEVs like the 330e and Outlander on this:
I would agree in that they are only beneficial if youāre mostly only needing the electric and rarely the petrol needs to kick in as you can plug in.
But that would be just down to how efficient the petrol engine is if going along the motorway I assume the battery isnāt being used much if at all in your hybrid unless itās heavy traffic and lots of stop/start.
Both the plug-in hybrids mentioned appear to get around the 40mpg based on reviews and forums when driven on motorways where itās solely petrol in use and the battery charging by the petrol isnāt adding anything. So like Outlander is using a 2.0 petrol to lug 2 tonnes of car along.
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I donāt have any other options for now in terms of electric pick up trucks
The Rivian isnāt out and the Cyber truck in itās current form isnāt road legal in the UK, also itās fecking hideous.
Ford has partner with Rivian to use itās platform so shall see if Ford bring an electric Ranger to the UK market.
Iād hope the kids would say āWow mum, the engine on that car sounds AWESOME, why doesnāt our car sound like that?ā - followed by āWhatās a V8, can we get one?ā
I donāt have a car now but my most recent car was a VW Gold (2015) which was a 1.6 Diesel and drove beautifully. It certainly drove a lot nicer than my previous petrol car.
Phil, I can only speak about Toyota hybrids as different car companies have different implementations.
The Toyota phev can run on the motorway on battery alone.
Toyota Hybrids, the big battery is always in use, the whole car is powered by it. The AC, fuel pump, water pump etc, itās all electric and runs from the big battery. There is no starter and no alternator and the conventional 12v battery is smaller and a different chemistry as it has no use once the car is up and running.
On a motorway, the engine and the two electric motors are normally engaged. One motor tops up the engine which is why it can run at 1500 rpm and the second motor tops up the battery.
No idea about tech specs but they look amazing. When the money comes in then. R=
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Yeah I appreciate that some hybrids and plugin hybrids do fine on motorways and get good mpg, and that you can run them in different modes so itās either petrol, or electric, or petrol helps fill the battery, or boosts the petrol when needed or alter the braking so more energy is saved etc. I assume though itās mostly down to weight, and how good the petrol side is and maybe aerodynamics when driven a long distance continuously at a constant speed.
I think the point I was making is that for motorway commuting and people living in the sticks you can have a 10yr diesel or a petrol in the last 5 years achieve a real 58-60mpg and itās currently cheaper so little incentive to swap.
For those that have an open mind about moving from diesel to electric this video will be interesting.
A point that is rarely referred to when considering a change from diesel to electric is the TCO (total cost of ownership).
In this video a driving instructor discusses with colleagues that have changed from diesel to electric with some really surprising facts emerging.
Since my EV has been delayed beyond when Iād need it, Iām now on the lookout for a readily available vehicle and have seen some very tempting deals on diesels.
Iām only looking at a two year lease, so residuals and other long term considerations arenāt an issue.
We donāt go into London much, but they are Euro 6 compliant so should be fine for ULEZ.
Iām assuming from him saying āsome very tempting deals on dieselsā that the deals on diesels are tempting him to a diesel because theyāre good deals.
Not a huge amount else, servicing costs are basically same as a petrol, there is a requirement to fill up with Ad Blue, but thatās (currently) pretty cheap. So, other than the fact that diesel fuel is hella expensive, enjoy your more fuel efficient car (especially when compared against E10)!
Thatās what I was getting at.
Given the current price, Iād imagine that youād have to do a significant mileage now to get any real benefit.
(Although, Iāve never owned a diesel car, so Iām more than happy to be corrected)
In this instance no, the petrol cars are more expensive. I donāt do massive mileage but since Iām not trying to offset a higher vehicle cost this isnāt really a factor.
Modern diesels donāt like low milage, you will soon clog your DPF/ECG filter up and those are not cheap to fix.
Iād arguably suggest if your milage is less that 10k a year the savings on a diesel over petrol, especially at this time, would be minute.
I have a diesel 4x4 ( where I live you need one even to get on the drive) and the extra it costs me to fill it negates any savings I would have made over a standard petrol car