People who object to ATM withdrawal fees, and thus get drawn to Monzo, are not just miserly and tight, there’s a fundamental principle behind the idea that one should not be charged merely for getting access to ones own money. To borrow money, sure; to benefit from some other financial product or instrument, fine. But merely to get access to ones own hard earned moolah? Can’t anything remain sacred in this world?
Eh, the fact that I can instantly access my money from the other side of the world without having to take the risk of carrying wads of cash with me is a pretty valuable financial service. I don’t really see a moral reason why that should be free, considering the networks that allow it certainly aren’t free to run.
Your point is fair, and I’m not really going to dispute it. It is, as you have identified, essentially a moral point, or a point of principle, where views will vary.
We are charged for everything in life (even ostensibly ‘free’ things tend to carry hidden charges somewhere along the line), so I just feel that in the modern world, where the technology to allow us to access our money is in place, actually getting at our money should be free; thereafter we will pay through the nose for everything.
To be clear - I’m not part of the Monzo team so I don’t have any special insight here.
But this seems like a pretty obvious scenario so I assume that the models have taken it into account.
That might be part of the reason why Monzo have decided to charge 3% for any withdrawals over the £200 threshold, rather than 2%. As according to the blog 2% would otherwise be all they’d need to charge to cover the cost of withdrawals outside the EU.
Obviously they also need to charge more than 2% to cover the costs incurred by users who have made withdrawals under the £200 threshold too..
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@Ralph76 I’ve just spotted this explanation from SimonB
I just think that as soon as you take away something that’s free, people will adapt to make the best use of leftover free resource, therefore modelling based on prior experience may not accurately capture the reality. As I say, options 1 and 2 seem to cover the cost, but 3 is a question mark.
It’s no surprise it’s popular with users, but is it sustainable (question for Monzo)?
If you can’t do an annual allowance, then a trip allowance may work better than monthly. Say £400 ‘free’ per trip and 3 trips per year, you would save on those who take out less than £400 on a trip, compensating those who go on fewer trips but spend more. It could be implemented as travel periods. So once you withdraw money abroad it starts a 30 day period in which you can withdraw £400 for ‘free’, and this can be repeated maybe 3 or 4 times per year.
Thanks for the info however I think you have got your figures wrong.
As far as I’m aware with option 3 the charges would only kick in for amounts over £200. so if you draw £250 out you are only charged £1.50 (Charged on the £50 only) rather than been charged on the full £250
Why not just charge the costs on as non sterling transaction fee like the other banks, You don’t have to be different - if they already have a system that works and people understand it.
There is a cost for cash abroad, some one should pay for that and it should be the person drawing out the cash.
So I think just directly charge the cost onto the end user, its transparent and simple.
Or, lend out 9x what you have on deposit like the other banks, make a wedge of cash on the interest and fees (monzo loans) and cover these costs with some of that free money. Perhaps an option in the app to say I’m happy for 25/50/75% of my cash to be lent to others, then we can have interest on deposits.
Monzo, have you really done your analysis on this correctly. You say that in any given month 13% of customers account for more than 85% of total ATM costs in that month. Fair enough, but that is likely to be a different 13% of customers each month. I’m an offender this month as I’m on holiday with the family. For the other 11 months of the year I’m a loyal Monzo user in the U.K. Are you sure this is a minority of users?
Please, don’t complain that customers are using your card as advertised. In fact, you have been giving moneysavingexpert.com readers preferential treatment to get a Monzo card. A site that is advertising your card as a prepaid travel card, not a new banking community in the U.K.
You also state that any charges will apply to both the prepaid card and the new current account. Why? All you need to do to cover the costs in the CA is say that you will give anyone who has their salary paid in to their Monzo CA free withdrawals worldwide.
Don’t ruin your brand with an I’ll thought out knee jerk reaction to cover costs. And definitely don’t link the CA and prepaid cards together. The CA is a whole new ball game. Don’t kill it before it gets started.
I don’t think we should be charged to access our own money in the UK (which we won’t be), but I don’t think we’re entitled per se to have it for free with an overseas ATM. My friend is studying in Germany and she gets charged to get cash out at ATMs so she always gets a lot out at one go I’m glad that isn’t a thing here
Inspired by (totally ripping off…) JamieThunder I have just knocked together this quick view to help people visualise fees at various price points (Please note the scale on the bar charts adjust for each amount withdrawn, in order to make comparisons between options easier)
Edit here is what it looks like if the scale ends at £1000 (Make it a bit easier to see at which point an option becomes more expensive)
To be honest if Monzo start charging I wouldn’t be taking my Monzo card abroad. There are plenty of other options to spend your money. I don’t use my card abroad much at all but to be restricted to £200 a month is just pointless and no use to any customer.
I actually am having doubts on going ahead with the Monzo current account now if you U-Turn on fees so easily.