The Great Permacrisis 😱

It’s ok. You’ve clarified. All good.

I’d rather not. That’s the worst thing someone can do! It’s fine if you don’t want to have a go - I don’t blame you at all. I certainly wouldn’t in the current state of political affairs and mixed definitions!

Have a go? It is a fact that right-wing and far-right parties are increasing support across Europe. You might not like it, but a fact is still a fact.

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Oh, I agree! As is the other faction.

I believe that some things, everywhere and nowhere, are increasing, while some things are decreasing and others are staying the same.

Think we can all agree with that.

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Inspired by some of the recent discussion above, and recalling that when I started work the Conservative Party was fairly sanguine about the fact that many of our strategic industries were state controlled, I wondered what far left/right means to people today.

So, with that in mind, I thought I’d try to find out by asking you lot to give me a policy that you believe to be:

  1. Far Left
  2. Left
  3. Centre
  4. Right
  5. Far Right

It is a commonly stated view that this forum is either socially and/or politically skewed to the left, so it would be interesting (to me, at least) to see how true that is.

Anyway, over to you.

Far left and Far right in essence have lost a lot of meaning as it’s used primarily as a method of shutting down people who have left or right views that one might not agree with. So a lot of the discourse around Far L/R is often in bad faith and used more as a form of attack rather than genuine political ideology.

Although to provide my perspective on your question. I won’t pick out any specific policies but get on my soapbox. Which no doubt many will disagree with.

I would say as a country the nation has lurched heavily over the last decade towards the right and the Overton window has shifted heavily toward the right and so with it a lot of things (welfare not aimed at OAP’s, immigration, state control of utilities/services and minority rights) are seen as left wing ideology. A lot of these things are things that I would say as a child of the 90’s were accepted things that the state provided and were seen as the basics of civil society. However with the increasing Americanisation of parts of our politics and media we’ve moved further towards the idea that welfare, immigration and minority rights are a fundamental attack on ā€œthe british way of lifeā€. This led to a lot of the arguments that were used in the Brexit debate by the leave campaign. Since then it has been a fundamental starting point of the conversations around immigration and things like trans rights etc.

Fundamentally I’m more of a centre left ā€œnew labourā€ kind of guy and want to see the country returning to what felt like the sanity of politics and society I felt we had during the late 90’s early 00’s.

I know I’ve totally failed to answer your question…

Thanks for attending my TED talk :joy:

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Left. Funtimes.

Why are the Tories still trying to chase the parties who are further right wing with stuff like this? Just be a normal party that actually has a brain for once. They also seem to be oblivious that there is money to be made in renewables. It’s absolutely bonkers that some people want us moving away from green energy just because some idiots don’t believe the mountain of evidence about climate change and go crazy when they hear anything about the environment.

Politics has long been about attracting and keeping voters rather than doing what’s best for the country.

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This will appeal to the Tory core demographic.

Boomers who dislike everyone else… :joy:

Not bad news. I’ve been getting a few more Costa drinks recently, especially their ice drinks, and they are genuinely really nice. Not tried any of their matcha, but Caffe Nero’s I find really nice.

Not really a surprise that it isn’t coffee that is the big success when the majority of Starbuck’s sales are now in their cold drinks instead

Because there are people that don’t believe in climate change or believe the difference we make as a country is small and believe it’s costing more to go green.

Ultimately the Tories are still chasing what they believe will win votes and not what is actually needed. Which shows they haven’t really changed or improved.

It roughly aligns with their voters skepticism for the environment and ā€˜red tape’.

But more importantly, they have to throw in a few policies that will please potential large donors. Reform has it’s cryptocurrency policies, labour has its large government contracts it’ll create and dish out… tories have to have something :laughing:

Worth noting that Scotland are planning something similar.

In some ways, reducing the number of Quangos actually increases political responsibility/oversight over decisions - rather than them being able to blame a different organisation.

I didn’t take any of this away from the article. There’s literally no mention of energy at all.

It looks like the Tories want to streamline/decrease regulation to make building easier. There are obviously tradeoffs involved with this, but it’s also a more realistic strategy to actually boosti economic growth.

Or we could just… tax the billionaires!!!

Never gonna happen, even if it is a logical step.

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While the tax system is not fair, going after billionaires ultimately risks raising taxes for everyone, sadly. So don’t happen.

Genuinely curious as to why this would be the case?

What exactly makes it a logical step? Is it a really panacea to solve all our funding problems?

Or will it just make Lefties feel good about sticking it to the man, whilst making us no better, or even worse, off.

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Is it actually unfair?

Those in the Top 10% and Top 1% already contribute a vastly outsize proportion of income tax.

What proportion would make it fair?

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