I’m glad I’m not the only one. I thought I was watching the first 4 minutes of some sleazy porno.
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I don’t see how my post can be flagged like it was, I tried to make my point in a way that was respectful… Either the conversation / debate is allowed here or it isn’t and I’ll respect the decision of the moderators on that one - but if it is allowed I don’t see how my post would’ve been abusive like it was flagged for being abusive
I don’t know. I didn’t flag it.
If it should have been flagged for anything, it should have been for being been off-topic, but even then, it’s not really warranted or proportionate to the discourse. There was nothing abusive about it.
I really think @AlanDoe needs to come take a look at the flagging shenanigans going on in this thread over the past few days. It’s plainly flag abuse and it needs to be dealt with.
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I think you underestimate just how popular British culture was in Europe in the sixties (the Beatles achieved their early success in Hamburg, for example).
If you have an investor role or above, and you disagree with a post, you just flag it to have it removed?
I don’t think the two are comparable! The Beatles were touring, globally, to sell out shows. Whereas Lulu was a guest on The Hollies polish leg of their tour.
Sending The Beatles to Eurovision in the 1960s would been a closer point of comparison to sending someone like Olly than Lulu is. But again, it’s prior to the televoting being a thing, which is the important aspect of my point, because it’s the televote where these artists are typically punished.
The only thing to counter you really is that a lot of countries send very successful artists who are very well known (or in some cases, have already won). They may not be well known in the UK but they often are in Europe. Sweden this year sent two chaps from Norway who are extremely famous in Europe.
It’s an interesting idea, but I don’t think it plays out for the above.
I wasn’t comparing the two, just offering the Beatles in Hamburg as an example of Europe’s fascination with British culture at the time.
They had toured Scotland as a support act and then started their residency in Hamburg. They didn’t tour globally to sellout shows until after they had returned to Liverpool and signed a record deal.
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Sweden performed pretty poorly this year relative their normal levels of success. They only got 49 points from the televote. An incredibly poor turnout for them. Their second lowest televote score in the last 15 years I believe.
Artists who’ve already entered before, or even won, tend to be well received by viewers in contrast to those who found their fame elsewhere, and can sometimes in fact be received better because of it.
I don’t know why that discrepancy seems to exist, but it does.
A fair point. You are probably onto something I guess I just have never ever heard anyone consider well known acts to be cheating or voting lower for it.
The only thing I can think of is everyone assuming everyone else would vote for a famous act so giving your vote to someone else and therefore nobody ends up voting for the famous act because it’s just assumed they’ll do well.
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It feels a bit like for some people there’s some kind of pro/am tension in play. Like Eurovision is supposed to be for enthusiastic amateurs, so when a polished professional rocks up it feels like it’s not fair play.
A bit like if there is, say, a pub five-a-side tournament, and among the usual Sunday players one team turns out to be Man City’s best players. Might not be again the letter of the law, but plenty would say it went against the spirit of the competition.
Me, though, I wonder if it’s being over thought too much. I wouldn’t have a clue how many of the acts are ringers. End of the day, it’s all about how the songs go down on the night isn’t it?
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This is almost always the case, it’s a song contest and people like some songs and not others.
In what? Monzo?
Monzo and here are not the same, it’s an open forum, nothing to do with your status investment in anything.
All treated the same here.
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Ah okay, I didn’t see a flag button so assumed only the higher roles can do it. My bad
You can’t flag your own posts but should be able to flag others.
Edit: just seen you can actually flag your own. 
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You need to be trust level 3 or higher to flag. Trust level 4 or higher instantly hides a post from just one flag.
The lower the trust level the person being flagged, the fewer flags required to hide it.
That’s my understanding at least.
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I’ve made it back home safely 
I do love a good Swedish Eurovision, Edward af Sillén, the writer and director did another amazing job.
As for the booing, it’s hopefully been an effective way to tell the EBU reference group that the fans are not happy. They are going to have to look at their decisions and whether some countries should be allowed to enter and when they are told they aren’t welcome. Fans should not have to be shouted at that they are supporting genocide whilst queueing to enter the arena. One country made this contest about them, and raised the threat level quite considerably. The show and the week in Malmo would have been a lot better without them. If they had of won, they wouldn’t be able to host it and would another country step up in that case?
Anyway, I’m glad Nemo won. It was an amazing performance and the crowd loved it. They deserved to win. The UK need to go back to simpler staging and better vocals. Look how that worked for France.
I’m sure we’ve not heard the last of this years issues, but let’s hope it leads to some positive changes.
I’d also like it moved to start 8pm CEST, but that’s because I’m old. If Martin reads this, please raise it 
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Hard disagree but I’m so glad you enjoyed it!
Israel enjoyed very high voting for public votes. Your friendship group, or those going to the event can disagree all they want but Israel were liked.
The only folk to make this uncomfortable were those protesting and booing.
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