Starling Discussion: Part 2

I’m not that surprised, I think tech banks generally appeal to the affluent.

3 Likes

I wouldn’t say they do, not for the level of wealth that would need to balance it out. For every person putting in £100 a month to use Starling as a pocket money account, dormant accounts, people on lower salaries, that’s a huge swing to make £30k the average.

UK average wage is about £25k isn’t it?

Average in this instance isn’t really helpful.

1 Like

Where is that mentioned? The report itself lists £1,800 (which is more like £26,500/pa)

2 Likes

It’s at the bottom of the Q1 trading update.

2 Likes

The accounts number doesn’t match either.

Looks like the accountants and the graphics guys have different data!

edit

Over different periods, as Dan says below

1 Like

Ahh interesting. The report covers upto 31st March, and the stat you linked upto end of June, so I suspect average deposits have risen over the past few months.

7 Likes

overall these are great results for Starling. They’ve been very fast moving and innovative in the last few years and they have the financial results to show for it. Good on them.

7 Likes

Also, to be pedantic they’re both ‘over’ figures.

So, over 2,000 per month is ALSO over 1,800 per month so both are correct. Although, over 1,800 does imply an average of between 1,800 and 1,900 which was probably the case during that time period…

7 Likes

Will be interesting to compare Starling’s pandemic with Monzo’s. Two very different approaches to staying afloat.

3 Likes

It will include some self-employed, so a chunk of that will be going on to HMRC. If they’re including many people (like me) who move in and out of external savings accounts all the time, then I’m surprised it’s not higher

1 Like

Most SME :relieved:

1 Like

I shared this internally but thought I may as well share it here as well. Here’s my summary of Starling’s lending (I work in borrowing so this is what I was most interested in):

Retail lending

  • £55.5 million of forward flow retail lending - This is lending they do by financing Zopa loans.
  • £20.2 million of overdraft and loan lending to their own customers - They don’t split this out.
  • £71 million of undrawn overdraft facilities to their own customers.

SME lending

  • £1,591 million of 100% government backed lending - This is zero credit risk lending that they’ve done as part of the COVID bounce back loan scheme, £32 million of this was through forward flow financing of Funding Circle loans.
  • £595 million of 80% government backed lending - This is almost zero credit risk lending that they’ve also done as part of the COVID bounce back loan scheme, £582 million of this was through forward flow financing of Funding Circle loans.
  • ~£230k of overdraft and loan lending to their own customers.

They’re currently making ~£7 million per month in Net Interest Income of which (I had to approximate these):

  • ~£1 million is from cash at the BoE and debt securities ( This is a treasury activity rather than lending )
  • ~£1 million is from retail lending.
  • ~£5 million is from government backed SME lending.
24 Likes

Presumably you or someone else in Monzo has done a comparable analysis for the company? (I know that Monzo hasn’t taken part in some of the schemes mentioned above).

1 Like

I can’t work out from the writing alone whether there’s a subtext that this is somehow a bad thing.

4 Likes

Not necessarily “analysis” but yes - we’ve compared some of our numbers here as well as things like card transactions per month - but afraid I’m not going to share the comparison numbers :slight_smile:

5 Likes

Didn’t expect you would :wink:

But as you’re an employee, your post could potentially look a bit like Monzo trying to downplay another bank’s success.

Personally, I like positive campaigns and statements that celebrate what one company has done, rather than comments about their rivals.

Not meaning to suggest you have deliberately done this, just saying how it could look.

6 Likes

Sorry if that’s the case.

For what it’s worth - It’s super exciting to see a fellow challenger bank doing well! IMO it’s only a good thing for Monzo and the industry.

Internally we’ve never seen the Monzo vs Starling rivalry as a thing (even if that’s how the story sometimes gets painted) - it’s always been “challenger banks” vs “legacy banks” if anything!

17 Likes

8 posts were merged into an existing topic: Monzo vs. Starling - Removed Posts

There was no real commentary. There was a breakdown/explanation of the figures.

7 Likes

I thought it was just someone with insight helping out us mere layman who don’t understand the inner workings of financial lending.

From what I can see, what he’s presented is all fact? Not a “This will go wrong for them” assessment and even explains that some of it is zero risk, which is great for Starling and if you were being negative, would have left this bit out?

19 Likes