Now in Labs: See your mortgage in Monzo 🏠

This might not work in reality, but what would be super cool would be a button to hit that knows the sort code, account number and reference for the mortgage account and lets me make a one off or recurring overpayment. With some funky examples on how it might reduce term.

Similarly for connected credit cards (where this should be much easier)!

One thing that I think is missing (from connected accounts and mortgages) is somewhere we can enter the interest rate ourselves, and see the remaining promotional / fixed term period (e.g. my mortgage is fixed for a bit then goes to SVR, similarly one of my connected cards is 0% balance transfer for a fixed period - would be fab to be able to see both of those in Monzo and be alerted in very good time before they expire!)

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Manual accounts would get around this. For multiple examples.

Not automagic, no, but more flexible.

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Cracking idea! Graphic for Mortgage card done!
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EDIT: image changed to weekly home.

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Maybe wishful thinking, but I would like Monzo to Identify possible mortgage repayments from my account feeds, let me select the relevant one and then use that to understand my repayment history. Hopefully this would yield enough data to understand if I am overpaying and to calculate the amount of interest I am paying and hence the interest rate… :thinking:

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Would be great to see when fixed term ends and how the payments might change if you defaulted to the variable rate.

Natural extension then would presumably be a selection of offers for new fixed rates with existing/alternative provider.

Even ballpark figures here would be amazing.

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Revenue potential for partnering with a comparison site or a mortgage broker!

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You can’t make it too easy, or there will be people who decide to go all–in on overpayments (instead of savings) and who then hit the early redemption charge, which is very, very expensive.

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Good call. Care - and lots of friction - needed.

Was thinking about this last night, it’d be good (eventually) to be able to connect dormant mortgage accounts up, and have the broader concept of a “house” in Monzo. So I could say these 5 mortgages over the last 10 years related to this one house, and get some good graphs about how that capital changed etc. etc.

Hurrah, new features!

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Out of interest, would you know this (interest rate, and deal end date) off the top of your head? (Maybe to the nearest month?) If not, do you think you’d make the effort to go and find this information so you can tell Monzo about it?

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The information is in the Mortgage pack, literally open it find the relevant paragraphs, information obtained :raised_hands:

Even less hassle now that most are emailed out and stored digitally

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I think that would be the entire point of wanting to put it in Monzo, so it is easily accessible even if difficult to remember.

I have the same issue with a zero interest balance transfer card - I would love to be able to see the end date for the period right there in connected accounts as it isn’t even openly visible in the company’s own app. I do have a note in a ‘money’ spreadsheet I have but it would be much nicer to have in Monzo.

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Thanks for all the great conversations so far everyone - it has been super interesting to see feedback on parts of the experience that we were/weren’t expecting! As you can tell, we’ve been trying to make connecting as easy as possible whilst also managing some constraints with the data and refresh period!

For folks who have talked about wanting to see more recent payments (and overpayments) reflected in their mortgage balance - I’d love to hear a little more about your rationale, is it:

  • Feel like the mortgage balance is accurate
  • Be able to build the “net worth view” - e.g. 1 month of mortgage payments have gone out, so my current account balance is reduced
  • Have the information to hand to make some decision
  • Something else?

What I’m grappling with is that taking a mortgage payment feed item and taking it off your mortgage balance is unlikely to show the correct balance when you consider that interest gets added by lenders at different times. Is it better to be correct at a point in time in the past automatically or closer (but wrong) to the current balance?

I know the interest rate. I know the end date of my fixed term deal, and know roughly how many years I’ve got to run on the full thing.

That said, it’s a pretty simple thing to log onto online banking or search any emails to find the exact details.

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This comes down to a few things for me:

  • I want Monzo to be the one place where I can have an overview of my assets and liabilities. That means that I’d like the most up to date information.
  • Like you say, if there’s a (significant) lag then there’s some missing money for a while (money out but not yet credited to the mortgage account).
  • Monzo is at its best when it joins things up or makes life easy. Intuitively, it feels strange that you’ve got both sides of the coin but (stretching the metaphor) they’re not glued together.

I’m not sure this is an either/or question.

Imagine a feed that’s split with real payment and mortgage balance details at the bottom.

Then imagine at the top a section that’s heavily caveated with “Monzo’s best guesstimate based on current account payments to your mortgage provider”.

That would both spark joy / give the Monzo magic - and let customers know what’s certain and what isn’t.

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This is certainly a challenge but I think there’s a couple of ways you could manage this:

  • Identify payments or tell us if you’ve overpaid in the preceding 12 months
  • Keep a running total of payments to date and highlight where this stands
  • Make it clear when they’re getting close and if in doubt to check their mortgage terms

As I understand it - 10% of the mortgage balance in a 12 month period (either calendar, or normally anniversary of start date) is the default limit for Early Repayment Charges in the UK if the product has them. The thing that changes is the % fee charged when over the limit itself.

Given that the average mortgage in the UK is ~£200,000 then the £20k overpayment limit (extra) per year is not going to constraint many folks, provided that there’s education and signposting?

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My main objective would be to be able to forecast my mortgage end date, something that I do in a spreadsheet currently. To do this I take into account one off overpayments, and regular monthly overpayments. Let’s say my required mortgage payments are £500 per month, but I regularly pay £800 and then make an annual overpayment of £5k to reduce the mortgage term.

It looks like TU provide the initial amount borrowed, monthly balance, and the £500 required payment; so what is missing is the actual monthly payment £800 and the annual lump sum payment of £5k… even with this information the calculations will be close approximations at best due to differing dates that interest is applied, rounding etc etc… but will be good enough to work with…

The other data point that is not present is the fixed term end date. It would be great to be able to add this to each mortgage if wanted so that Monzo can include this on charts and provide a countdown / reminders to fix terms coming to an end. A countdown to mortgage completion would be nice too :slight_smile: although I have no idea how best to incorporate into the UI

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Yes I know it all, and if I didn’t, I’d find it if it hugely increased the value of the mortgage info in the app.

I track all my finances in a spreadsheet, and it includes mortgage pay off predictions etc too.

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Yep, I know the interest rate (it’s in the Nationwide app easy to see on the mortgage screen anyway if I forget it) and the end date. It might be trickier to track in future - right now it’s easy as it’s our first deal, so I know when we moved in (hence when the mortgage started) and that it’s a 5-year deal.

I think for me personally it wouldn’t make a difference, as the amount of overpayments we make and the interest charged per month are not far off from each other. So, if you show me a snapshot at time A, it could show that I’ve overpaid with no interest charged yet, but at time B the interest would show but the current/next overpayment would not, so either way I think the figure you’d show would be equally off from reality (whether plus or minus).

Bearing in mind you have to pull this from the credit agency as there is no API for it, I will expect the mortgage figure to be a guide - unless you have some sort of manual input for interest rate and overpayments and you calculate it correctly to show the correct value every day.

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