Meat Eaters

(Kevyn) #59

Your belief is that it is wrong to eat meat but it isn’t my belief it is wrong. I’m happy to eat meat. I don’t believe it is wrong to eat meat and will continue to eat meat until my dying days. As I explained before, I offset my environmental impact massively right now and I hope my beliefs are respected as I respect vegan people’s views on this issue. When we don’t respect peoples different views is the start of a slippery slope.

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(James Blackwell) #60

Remember this is based on the American model of farming too I’m the UK we have much stricter welfare rules and slaughter rules. Also all farms have to produce annual figures to the government on pollution and are heavily fined or loose subsidies if they don’t meet targets.
And as a nation we can help by buying all our food from more reliable and sustainable sources.

(James Blackwell) #61

I eat meat and don’t struggle one bit ethically my parents are smallholders I have watched the lambs I eat be slaughtered and butchered I also hunt and eat what I kill. I know the animals we keep have hood healthy lives and are then killed humanly and respected. Also the ones I shoot are done swiftly with as little suffering as possible.

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(James Blackwell) #62

It is worth remembering that plants are also living things that we take away from the environment they like and then eat then. Just because they don’t have a face it is fine to ruin there lives. Also most plants we eat have been modified over the years to meet what we want to see on the shops shelves. What’s to say the plants we eat are not suffering pain and just can’t show it to us.

(James Blackwell) #63

I have lived and worked in countries where they have vegetarian diets and I have enjoyed the food I eat at least one veggie meal a week and enjoy it But I feel meat gives me things I can’t get from a veggie diet after all there are certain vitamins minerals and amino acids that are only found in animal sources. So I eat meat as part of a varied and balanced diet it is not a mental condition stopping me as you are trying to suggest. I just think it is the best way to eat. I respect anyone’s choose not to eat meat but not claim that they have a mental issue with food it is each to there own.

#64

Because the selection process takes a very long time. In another 100k years we will have a population that is adapted to the shit we produce now.

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(James Blackwell) #65

We can adapt and change much quicker than this in reality. Already people have got longer thumbs from the use of mobile phones etc this has taken a very short amount of time to start happening. The gut can adapt to different foods incredibly quickly

#66

Absolutely not from evolution.

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(If there's the wrong end of a stick, you'll find me holding it.) #67

Might be sooner than that.

I don’t have a source, but I heard recently that lactose tolerance is a relatively recent change. Just 10,000 years ago there was a genetic mutation in Eastern Europe which allowed humans to tolerate cow milk.

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(James Blackwell) #68

It’s how evolution works the body has adapted to cope with it’s souroundings that is why son children are now born with longer thumbs than they were 30 years ago. It is the definition of evolving.

(James Blackwell) #69

Exactly we can evolve incredibly quickly if we need too.

(James Blackwell) #70

So breakfast this morning is sausage and bacon from hand reared pigs with eggs from hand reared free range chickens and homemade bread made with local ingredients. Non of the produce has travelled more than a mile to be at my table and is sorced from small local farmers

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(Dan) #71

The lack of a nervous system, brain and pain receptors are three things that say plants don’t suffer pain.

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(Dan) #72

You may feel that. The science would suggest that it is not true.

(James Blackwell) #73

Hey do respond to stimuli though using electrical pulses this could assimilate pain we don’t know as we can’t ask them and they have no way of showing or telling us.

(Dan) #74

And odd choice of words. Cutting the life of an animal that one assumes would really rather not die very short is, I would suggest, not at all humane or respectful.

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(Dan) #75

Difficult this… Should we respect the views of people who think, for example, it’s okay to murder or harm other people?

Surely there comes a time when views must change. The science is very clear now that animal agriculture is causing huge environmental damage. Isn’t that enough reason to justify the fact that eating meat or not shouldn’t be a matter of personal choice?

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(James Blackwell) #76

An animal we bread solely for meat or is hunted to stop the numbers getting past manageable or sustainable. It is done very quickly with as little fuss as is possible I can invite you to watch one day to prove the humanity of it.

(James Blackwell) #77

I don’t agree with murder but I do believe that most murdered do it for what they feel is good reason weather that is mental problems or a mixed up believe that it’s right they still believe it.
That’s not to say it’s right though.

(Dan) #78

Thanks for the invite but you can’t prove the humanity of it; it isn’t humane.

I once ate and enjoyed lots of meat. I have experience of rearing animals for meat. I too once believed eating locally produced animals on a small scale was a good thing. I no longer do. The science suggests environmentally it is very bad. The science also suggests that for human health, eating animals and animal products is very bad. The evidence (through numerous films, for example) suggests that animal agriculture is hugely cruel and barbaric.

I’d encourage you to keep an open mind, to read, watch and try to find out more about a meatless diet; the benefits for the environment, for you - and for the animals.

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