App for Windows phone?


(Kendra Coady-Gleeson) #1

Is there an app for a windows phone? I’m new to monzo but its obviously no good to me without the app…


(Josh Bray) #2

Unfortunately the main focus is on the iOS and android apps. There isn’t any plans to implement a Windows phone app yet. Sorry


(Naji Esiri) #3

Currently not I’m afraid Kendra :frowning:

There’s some interesting discussion here around the creation of some sort of supported web based browser. It’s likely to come from a 3rd party developer from our community rather than ourselves in the short term.


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#4

It’s a real shame, I love windows phones but gave up a few years ago, it’s a shame Microsoft gave up on it. Had they persevered, it would have been rivalling the others.


(Simon B) #5

Microsoft gave up on it because no matter how much money they spent on it, they never gained more than a few percent market share, in any country. I used to work with all the reps for all the phone brands and the Windows Phone reps really had the toughest jobs.

The fact is that most developers, even companies like us that have received generous funding, don’t have the resources to develop for a third OS. So small dev teams are never going to be able to do that, and so many beloved apps started out from just one or two devs coding something in their bedrooms.

Microsoft always suffered from this problem. It was years before they had several popular apps. I’m not sure they ever got a Snapchat client, for example, and I think even when they did get Instagram finally it was extremely limited in functionality. They also messed up big time by buying Nokia - prior to that, companies like Samsung and HTC had released a few WP devices, I remember in particular that the HTC 8S was somewhat popular a few years ago. But after the Nokia purchase, no other OEM was interested.


(Simon Porter) #6

Does the iOS bridge not help make porting the app relatively easy?

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bridges/ios


(Rika Raybould) #7

Not from Monzo but no, it doesn’t particularly.

The bridge is a very thin layer that only supports bringing over some code and still requires you to entirely rethink your app for Windows platforms. It’s useful if you have a lot of critical core code in Objective-C that you would have to bring over but if you’ve written a modern iOS app with dependencies on iOS frameworks and APIs, it’s faster and so much easier just to rewrite it all.

Not to mention, Monzo on iOS is now written in Swift, not Objective-C. Seems like Microsoft can’t catch a break. :sweat:


#8

Sadly I can’t see the main point as to spending the time and effort on creating an app for a platform that even it’s own creator isn’t building devices to run it on anymore and with such a low market share.

I used to be a Windows Phone user myself and my Dad still is. I can and have felt the frustration of a lot of the “core” web services such as Netflix, Snapchat etc. moving away or not even developing on the platform too.

I like Windows Phone as a platform, but with no real marketshare few companies were going to spend the outlay to build the apps. Overall it’s all been a bit of a catch 22 and too late to the party to attract developers who were already invested in iOS and Android.


#9

In the past when any app for a windows phone was totally different to that for a desktop a lot of that was true, but with the latest incarnation of windows MS hope that programmers can write software that can be easily run across mobile, tablet and desktop with few tweeks. That waits to be seen. Unfortunately with many programmers using iOS themselves even Android is relegated by many companies to being late on the heals of their Apple app, despite the growing market share and large number of manufacturers committed to Android


(Simon B) #10

I frankly don’t think that’s going to work.

In Microsoft’s ideal world where everyone had a Surface Book or similar device, then it might be a viable strategy. But from my experience most Windows machines aren’t touch screens, so developing the same app across Windows desktop/laptop and a phone/tablet just won’t cut it for most people.

Android development is actually rocketing past iOS development in terms of sheer manpower, when you take countries like India and China into account. In a Western paradigm, it’s true iOS has the edge, but I foresee a tipping point soon where iOS will start to struggle to compete against the sheer numbers.

I predicted this happening with Android as a platform when I purchased the T-Mobile G1, the first Android phone in 2008. People laughed when I said that Android would destroy iOS in terms of market share. And for the first year or so, they probably thought they were right. But over that early time frame, by paying attention to the community, what I saw was more and more OEMs and partners getting on board. I knew it was only a matter of time, and then the tipping point was the release of the Motorola Droid in the US in late 2009, and the Samsung Galaxy S in early 2010. That led to a huge tidal wave which put Android where you see it today, with 80% global market share.

If you were to take a look into the amount of computer science and dev graduates in places like India and China… they aren’t developing on iOS. Apple tried to combat this in India by cutting iPhone sale prices by up to 50% - but it hasn’t worked for them.


(Tommy Long) #11

I’m always amazed about these developers who use iOS. As a developer with ten years experience I’ve only met the occasional rare Apple evangelist who has an iPhone. Maybe I don’t spend enough time hanging around Shoreditch…


(Stephen Townsley) #12

There are a few aspects to this.

  1. Windows 10 Mobile uses UWP these days that potentially brings Windows 10 devices, including PCs, into the frame. So it might be worth it for that.

  2. A mobile banking website would be the alternative. That would help.

Personally I have an Android device but I would prefer to use my Windowsphone. I just like it a lot better. Although I do get that Microsoft seem to have lost interest in the “phone element” whereas they are probably still interested in adding cellular data to some kind of future ARM based mobile “device”.


#13

Personally I also have an Android device purely to access certain banking apps but I would prefer to use my Windows phone too


(Sy) #14

Where can I download the Windows 10 Mobile app? or are you releasing a UWP app?


#15

They have taken a concious decision to concentrate on iOS and Android and not support Windows or Blackberry OS phones. So you will have to stick to a big high street bank until they change their mind.


(David Terry) #16

Very dissappointing :cry::sob::angry: No use to me then. Windows is a great phone, and I don’t want to go back to iOS just to access a bank


(Sy) #17

Came here all excited to find out about Monzo. Now just leaving upset :frowning:


#18

Windows phone have such little market share it doesn’t make a lot of sense to develop a product for them at the moment. There are other companies who have also discontinued or not developed for Windows phone


(Andre Borie) #19

I’m just curious - what makes you actually like Windows Phone in this day and age? I agree that it seemed promising years ago but Microsoft completely blew it (especially by breaking the API twice and making all apps incompatible) and now it’s a dead ecosystem.


(Danny) #20

Two new users both wanting Windows Phone apps…